Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Meetecho Thoughts

Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> Tue, 02 April 2019 21:03 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Meetecho Thoughts
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Yes, but Tom's looking for something using an open format that he can 
integrate into things like his app.

On 4/2/19 4:01 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
> FWIW, Meetecho already produces a playback application that gets you 
> several of the features that Tom has described. See, e.g.:
>
> https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/?session=IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120
>
> You can find these on the IETF HTML Agenda by clicking on the "M" 
> meetecho button.
>
> /a
>
>
> On 4/2/19 12:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:
>>
>> Tools team:
>>
>> Below is a short conversation with Tom Pusateri (the creator of the 
>> IETFers iOS app) about the usability of the current youtube videos 
>> and what we might strive for that's better.
>>
>> Do any of you know people who could help us do better than we are 
>> currently?
>>
>> Should we ask Meetecho what they think they could do to get closer to 
>> what Tom describes?
>>
>> RjS
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: 	Re: Meetecho Thoughts
>> Date: 	Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:02:41 -0400
>> From: 	Tom Pusateri <pusateri@bangj.com>
>> To: 	Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> Certainly. The more awareness the better.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 2, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Got it.
>>>
>>> May I forward the thread so far to the tools team (or at least to Russ)?
>>>
>>> RjS
>>>
>>> On 4/1/19 4:23 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
>>>> Robert,
>>>> I probably shouldn’t have mentioned SMIL because that’s a solution 
>>>> not a problem. I’m not trying to dictate a solution, only an open 
>>>> format that we can experiment with the streams to combine them in 
>>>> more useful ways. I’ve parsed the jabber logs in the past and 
>>>> that’s doable but there’s very little information in them anymore.
>>>>
>>>> I think the slide change info can be done in real time by looking 
>>>> at the video (that will take some code) or using a custom presenter.
>>>>
>>>> My purpose is mainly to try to get people thinking in a way and 
>>>> have a goal to shoot for instead of just continuing in the current 
>>>> mode which is difficult to integrate and is not a great user 
>>>> experience. Youtube videos don’t play well with mobile data plans 
>>>> when mostly what you want is audio and synchronized slides.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 1, 2019, at 4:50 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tom -
>>>>>
>>>>> If memory serves, SMIL is still quite difficult to create, and 
>>>>> capturing the events you detail below will be labor intensive 
>>>>> (particularly the speaker switches). I can bring this up with the 
>>>>> tools team, but unless I'm mis-remembering, your ask here is quite 
>>>>> large.
>>>>>
>>>>> RjS
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/1/19 2:14 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>> I sent this summary below to Portia and Alexa based on a quick 
>>>>>> meeting in Prague. I would like to see the deliverables from 
>>>>>> Meetecho be more open than a youtube video and an mp3 file per 
>>>>>> session. They suggested I talk with you first to see how my goals 
>>>>>> align with the datatracker futures. Can we talk some time about this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find the youtube replays to be a poor user experience and I 
>>>>>> would like to do something better and think if we could get 
>>>>>> separate output streams synced together with SMIL descriptions, 
>>>>>> we might be able to experiment a bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IETF produces lots of media at main meetings, side meetings, 
>>>>>> remote participation meetings, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Audio
>>>>>> Slides
>>>>>> Video
>>>>>> Jabber comments
>>>>>> Events
>>>>>> • Each speaker at the front of the room
>>>>>> • Each person coming to the microphone in the audience
>>>>>> • Slide changes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All media for a single session can be brought together in SMIL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronized_Multimedia_Integration_Language
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then, many outputs can be generated from combinations of media 
>>>>>> and events.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Examples:
>>>>>> Audio only for low bandwidth consumption
>>>>>> Combination audio/slides with automatic slide changes (mp4)
>>>>>> Overlay jabber messages synchronized
>>>>>> Overlay Speaker identification with profile pics
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One size fits all Youtube output format is not flexible enough 
>>>>>> for best user experience in app integration
>>
>>
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