Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Meetecho Thoughts
Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> Tue, 02 April 2019 21:21 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Meetecho Thoughts
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I suspect it's mostly a matter of asking the MeetEcho folks for pointers to their formats. For example, the Jabber transcripts can be seen in an easy-to-use JSON format here: https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/session/IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120 And the timestamped transcript is here: https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/resources/IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120 /a On 4/2/19 4:03 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > > Yes, but Tom's looking for something using an open format that he can > integrate into things like his app. > > On 4/2/19 4:01 PM, Adam Roach wrote: >> FWIW, Meetecho already produces a playback application that gets you >> several of the features that Tom has described. See, e.g.: >> >> https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/?session=IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120 >> >> You can find these on the IETF HTML Agenda by clicking on the "M" >> meetecho button. >> >> /a >> >> >> On 4/2/19 12:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: >>> >>> Tools team: >>> >>> Below is a short conversation with Tom Pusateri (the creator of the >>> IETFers iOS app) about the usability of the current youtube videos >>> and what we might strive for that's better. >>> >>> Do any of you know people who could help us do better than we are >>> currently? >>> >>> Should we ask Meetecho what they think they could do to get closer >>> to what Tom describes? >>> >>> RjS >>> >>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: Meetecho Thoughts >>> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:02:41 -0400 >>> From: Tom Pusateri <pusateri@bangj.com> >>> To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> Certainly. The more awareness the better. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 2, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Got it. >>>> >>>> May I forward the thread so far to the tools team (or at least to >>>> Russ)? >>>> >>>> RjS >>>> >>>> On 4/1/19 4:23 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >>>>> Robert, >>>>> I probably shouldn’t have mentioned SMIL because that’s a solution >>>>> not a problem. I’m not trying to dictate a solution, only an open >>>>> format that we can experiment with the streams to combine them in >>>>> more useful ways. I’ve parsed the jabber logs in the past and >>>>> that’s doable but there’s very little information in them anymore. >>>>> >>>>> I think the slide change info can be done in real time by looking >>>>> at the video (that will take some code) or using a custom presenter. >>>>> >>>>> My purpose is mainly to try to get people thinking in a way and >>>>> have a goal to shoot for instead of just continuing in the current >>>>> mode which is difficult to integrate and is not a great user >>>>> experience. Youtube videos don’t play well with mobile data plans >>>>> when mostly what you want is audio and synchronized slides. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Tom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 1, 2019, at 4:50 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Tom - >>>>>> >>>>>> If memory serves, SMIL is still quite difficult to create, and >>>>>> capturing the events you detail below will be labor intensive >>>>>> (particularly the speaker switches). I can bring this up with the >>>>>> tools team, but unless I'm mis-remembering, your ask here is >>>>>> quite large. >>>>>> >>>>>> RjS >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/1/19 2:14 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >>>>>>> Robert, >>>>>>> I sent this summary below to Portia and Alexa based on a quick >>>>>>> meeting in Prague. I would like to see the deliverables from >>>>>>> Meetecho be more open than a youtube video and an mp3 file per >>>>>>> session. They suggested I talk with you first to see how my >>>>>>> goals align with the datatracker futures. Can we talk some time >>>>>>> about this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I find the youtube replays to be a poor user experience and I >>>>>>> would like to do something better and think if we could get >>>>>>> separate output streams synced together with SMIL descriptions, >>>>>>> we might be able to experiment a bit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Tom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IETF produces lots of media at main meetings, side meetings, >>>>>>> remote participation meetings, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Audio >>>>>>> Slides >>>>>>> Video >>>>>>> Jabber comments >>>>>>> Events >>>>>>> • Each speaker at the front of the room >>>>>>> • Each person coming to the microphone in the audience >>>>>>> • Slide changes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All media for a single session can be brought together in SMIL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronized_Multimedia_Integration_Language >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then, many outputs can be generated from combinations of media >>>>>>> and events. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Examples: >>>>>>> Audio only for low bandwidth consumption >>>>>>> Combination audio/slides with automatic slide changes (mp4) >>>>>>> Overlay jabber messages synchronized >>>>>>> Overlay Speaker identification with profile pics >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One size fits all Youtube output format is not flexible enough >>>>>>> for best user experience in app integration >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >> >>
- [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Meetecho Thoughts Robert Sparks
- Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Meetecho Thoughts Adam Roach
- Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Meetecho Thoughts Robert Sparks
- Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Meetecho Thoughts Adam Roach
- Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Meetecho Thoughts Alexa Morris