Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Meetecho Thoughts

Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> Tue, 02 April 2019 21:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Meetecho Thoughts
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I suspect it's mostly a matter of asking the MeetEcho folks for pointers 
to their formats. For example, the Jabber transcripts can be seen in an 
easy-to-use JSON format here:

https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/session/IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120

And the timestamped transcript is here:

https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/resources/IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120

/a


On 4/2/19 4:03 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:
>
> Yes, but Tom's looking for something using an open format that he can 
> integrate into things like his app.
>
> On 4/2/19 4:01 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
>> FWIW, Meetecho already produces a playback application that gets you 
>> several of the features that Tom has described. See, e.g.:
>>
>> https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/?session=IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120
>>
>> You can find these on the IETF HTML Agenda by clicking on the "M" 
>> meetecho button.
>>
>> /a
>>
>>
>> On 4/2/19 12:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:
>>>
>>> Tools team:
>>>
>>> Below is a short conversation with Tom Pusateri (the creator of the 
>>> IETFers iOS app) about the usability of the current youtube videos 
>>> and what we might strive for that's better.
>>>
>>> Do any of you know people who could help us do better than we are 
>>> currently?
>>>
>>> Should we ask Meetecho what they think they could do to get closer 
>>> to what Tom describes?
>>>
>>> RjS
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject: 	Re: Meetecho Thoughts
>>> Date: 	Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:02:41 -0400
>>> From: 	Tom Pusateri <pusateri@bangj.com>
>>> To: 	Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Certainly. The more awareness the better.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 2, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Got it.
>>>>
>>>> May I forward the thread so far to the tools team (or at least to 
>>>> Russ)?
>>>>
>>>> RjS
>>>>
>>>> On 4/1/19 4:23 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
>>>>> Robert,
>>>>> I probably shouldn’t have mentioned SMIL because that’s a solution 
>>>>> not a problem. I’m not trying to dictate a solution, only an open 
>>>>> format that we can experiment with the streams to combine them in 
>>>>> more useful ways. I’ve parsed the jabber logs in the past and 
>>>>> that’s doable but there’s very little information in them anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the slide change info can be done in real time by looking 
>>>>> at the video (that will take some code) or using a custom presenter.
>>>>>
>>>>> My purpose is mainly to try to get people thinking in a way and 
>>>>> have a goal to shoot for instead of just continuing in the current 
>>>>> mode which is difficult to integrate and is not a great user 
>>>>> experience. Youtube videos don’t play well with mobile data plans 
>>>>> when mostly what you want is audio and synchronized slides.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2019, at 4:50 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tom -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If memory serves, SMIL is still quite difficult to create, and 
>>>>>> capturing the events you detail below will be labor intensive 
>>>>>> (particularly the speaker switches). I can bring this up with the 
>>>>>> tools team, but unless I'm mis-remembering, your ask here is 
>>>>>> quite large.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RjS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/1/19 2:14 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>> I sent this summary below to Portia and Alexa based on a quick 
>>>>>>> meeting in Prague. I would like to see the deliverables from 
>>>>>>> Meetecho be more open than a youtube video and an mp3 file per 
>>>>>>> session. They suggested I talk with you first to see how my 
>>>>>>> goals align with the datatracker futures. Can we talk some time 
>>>>>>> about this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I find the youtube replays to be a poor user experience and I 
>>>>>>> would like to do something better and think if we could get 
>>>>>>> separate output streams synced together with SMIL descriptions, 
>>>>>>> we might be able to experiment a bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IETF produces lots of media at main meetings, side meetings, 
>>>>>>> remote participation meetings, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Audio
>>>>>>> Slides
>>>>>>> Video
>>>>>>> Jabber comments
>>>>>>> Events
>>>>>>> • Each speaker at the front of the room
>>>>>>> • Each person coming to the microphone in the audience
>>>>>>> • Slide changes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All media for a single session can be brought together in SMIL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronized_Multimedia_Integration_Language
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then, many outputs can be generated from combinations of media 
>>>>>>> and events.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Examples:
>>>>>>> Audio only for low bandwidth consumption
>>>>>>> Combination audio/slides with automatic slide changes (mp4)
>>>>>>> Overlay jabber messages synchronized
>>>>>>> Overlay Speaker identification with profile pics
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One size fits all Youtube output format is not flexible enough 
>>>>>>> for best user experience in app integration
>>>
>>>
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