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Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] How do counters reset in the datatracker

Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> Thu, 16 May 2019 17:45 UTC

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Ack.  Thanks for finding the code and the tickets.  https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/1371 seems to be the related issue/enhancement.

I'll talk it through with them, but the interest was around the following states:

"AD Evaluation::AD Followup"
"AD Evaluation::Revised I-D Needed"
"IESG Evaluation::Revised I-D Needed"
"IESG Evaluation::AD Followup"

Per the question of metrics and motivation, (one of the) identified drivers was to implicitly distinguish between waiting on document authors (Revised ID Needed) vs. waiting on AD/IESG (AD Followup)

I'll get back to you,
Roman

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Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] How do counters reset in the datatracker


So the direct answer is simpler than I expected. It is the last change in iesg state (or the date iesg-evaluation started).

The relevant code is here:

<https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/ietf/doc/templatetags/ballot_icon.py#L168><https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/ietf/doc/templatetags/ballot_icon.py#L168>
at line 168.

RjS

On 5/16/19 9:23 AM, Robert Sparks wrote:

Hi Roman -

Like Russ, I will have to look at the code to give you the exact answer you are looking for, and I hope to do that today or tomorrow. I fear the answer will be "it's complicated".

For the moment, I can point to some history. Different ADs over time have had different opinions about what these "since" values should represent. Should it show time since last action, or accrued time in the where it is in the queue? Who is the metric there to help push along? I've occasionally been of the opinion that perhaps we should show state and sub-state staleness separately (as suggested by Adrian in one of the tickets below), but the display does get cluttered...

See

<https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/1371><https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/1371> and

<https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/1372><https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/1372>

RjS


On 5/16/19 8:31 AM, Roman Danyliw wrote:

Hi!



At the IESG retreat, there was a confusion in the IESG about how the timer listed next to the draft  (e.g., "for xxx days") in the datatracker is reset when a state or sub-state changes (see screenshot).  I was asked get clarity on the following:



** Which sub-state changes will trigger a reset to 0?



** Which state changes will trigger a reset to 0?



Thanks,

Roman















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