Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Problem with exploder for icnrg-chairs@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Problem with exploder for icnrg-chairs@ietf.org
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It appears that David R. Oran <daveoran@orandom.net> said: >>> <daveoran@orandom.net> (expanded from >>> <expand-icnrg-chairs@virtual.ietf.org>): >>> host mail.crystalorb.net[45.79.114.168] said: 550 [SPF] 50.223.129.194 is >>> not allowed to send mail from intel.com. (in reply to RCPT TO command) The mail system that handles mail for orandom.net is rejecting mail from sources that publish an SPF policy record with "-all" which essentially says don't let anyone forward our mail. Don't do that. Semi-pro mail admins often claim that doing so is "more secure", but only in the sense that accepting no mail at all would be "most secure." The way that the IETF forwards mail for aliases leaves a lot to be desired, but this particular forwarding issue is a well known fundamental flaw in SPF that cannot be fixed. That is why no sensible mail system does what "-all" nominally says. R's, John
- [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Problem with exploder fo… David R. Oran
- Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Problem with explode… John Levine