Re: [Tools-discuss] rfc-editor.org mailing lists don't add "Archived-At"?

Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> Tue, 20 July 2021 21:52 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] rfc-editor.org mailing lists don't add "Archived-At"?
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On 7/20/21 3:56 PM, Glen wrote:
> Hello Lars -
>
> I haven't seen any replies, so, speaking only as the operator for both the
> IETF and the RFC-Editor, I will try to answer those questions for you.
>
>> From: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>
>> Subject: [Tools-discuss] rfc-editor.org mailing lists don't add
> "Archived-At"?
>> Am I correct in my understanding that rfc-editor.org mailing lists don't
> add
>> "Archived-At" headers?
> You are correct.
>
>> Also, are there any other lists that "we" host that don't add
> "Archived-At" headers?
>
> No, there are no lists we (the IETF) host that don't add those headers.  The
> IETF currently hosts all of its list on its central server grid, across
> several domains, and they all have that header added.  In the case of the
> IETF, the Archived-At headers are added as one of the many functions of the
> IETF's custom Postconfirm program, which interfaces with the IETF's custom
> Mail Archive tool.  Both of those tools are IETF-owned products, and
> deployed on the IETF servers, providing those custom features to the IETF
> and the lists it runs.
>
> (As an aside, the IETF also provides "mirrors" of some external lists'
> archives, wherein we are not the primary provider of the list, but our
> archive system is just "subscribed" to that external list as a member.
> Those messages do not have the Archived-At header added to them, because the
> list messages come from an external source, and feed directly into the IETF
> Mail Archive, without actually being "processed" by the IETF mail chain.)
>
> But "We the IETF" don't actually host the RFC Editor mailing lists.  Those
> lists are hosted on the RFC-Editor's servers, and are used by the Editor
> staff, and operated by the RFC-Editor.   The custom systems used by the IETF
> are not deployed on or used by the RFC-Editor's servers in any way.   The
> RFC-Editor deployment is just a "normal" Mailman instance, with the normal
> Mailman archives.

Are there any other sets of mailing lists in the halo of 
domains/services that someone might expect to be accessible via the 
imap/mailarchive interfaces that currently aren't?

I think all of the IAB and IRTF lists are available. What's missing 
other than the rfc-editor lists?

>
>> Could we add that?
> Anything is possible given appropriate circumstances, and there are
> different approaches we could take.   I believe that the primary concerns
> are keeping the RFC-Editor's systems severable, and not disrupting the
> operations of the RFC Production Center or their staff.
>
> With that in mind, one approach might be to develop custom code for the
> RFC-Editor Mailman instance which would put a more-or-less generic
> Archived-At header into the messages that go through the list.  As a simple
> example, an Archived-at header could be added which points to the monthly
> index for the message, as in
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/pipermail/rfc-interest/2021-July/ .   That would
> require, I guess, an RFP from the IETF?  RFC-Editor?, and could be deployed
> (I would hope) in a reasonably non-invasive way to the RFC-Editor servers.
>
> Other approaches no doubt exist, but this would be the simplest one I could
> think of.
>
>> PS: I also see that rfc-editor.org mailing lists are not searchable via
>> mailarchive. That also seems like a feature we'd want.
> I'm given to understand that the primary public lists, RFC-DIST, and
> RFC-INTEREST, should be searchable.  They are certainly browse-able, at
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/rfc-dist/ and
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/rfc-interest/  .  For those, we
> took the same approach we took with other external lists, and we just do an
> external feed into the IETF Mail Archive.  The primary archives are, of
> course, still on the RFC-Editor server, but the IETF Mail Archive does have
> the full copies available as shown above.   If there are other lists that
> the RFC-Editor wants to share across, setting that up would be trivial.
>
> I hope this information is helpful, please feel free to contact me directly
> if you have any additional questions, and I will always do whatever I can to
> assist!
>
> Glen
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> Glen Barney
> IT Director
> AMS (IETF and RPC Secretariat)
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