Re: [Tools-discuss] Expired draft on the w.g. status pages [was Re: disappearing IDs on www.ietf.org]

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 11 September 2020 22:48 UTC

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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Expired draft on the w.g. status pages [was Re: disappearing IDs on www.ietf.org]
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On 12-Sep-20 07:17, Michael Richardson wrote:
> 
> Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
>     >>> There is no need for an additional call for adoption.  When the revision is posted, it will appear in the list.
>     >>
>     >> I knew that, but I would like to see w.g. drafts not time out on the w.g. status page.   Once adopted they have official status.  I think we do this for drafts sent to the IESG.
> 
>     > I disagree.  If the I-D has expired, it should not be shown there.
> 
> We are asking that it be in the list, marked as expired.
> Chairs can remove it from the list, if it is abandonned.
> Otherwise, they can bug authors to either update, or abandon.

Yes. Robert's note on the ticket is correct. A common case (I've experienced
it as an author quite recently) is that WG discussion has subsided, the draft
is probably not ready for WGLC, and the authors have had other priorities.
The expiry event is useful because it wakes up the authors and chairs, but
the document needs to stay visible until a decision is taken to update it,
do the WGLC as-is, or abandon it.

(Actually there are other options: in my case, the decision was to fold the
material into another WG draft. But the whole point is to avoid *accidental*
loss of the draft.)

   Brian