Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live mp3 audio streams at IETF meetings

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From: "Maisonneuve, Julien (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)" <julien.maisonneuve@nokia.com>
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live mp3 audio streams at IETF meetings
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Hello,
I think it is not a very good idea.
This would be closing the last non-paying option to get real-time audio from IETF meetings. I understand that may be the point, but it will cut off a stream of participation that has proved useful for some of us in the past.
You noted that there was very light use during the recent meetings, but there may be an easy explanation : I tried myself to get at the audio feeds during IETF108 and failed. I didn't dig very deep into it (there was meeting going on), but to make things simple what I got was not an mp3 feed but something else  (maybe a live streaming manifest) that no application I had would recognize (not even VLC which is not very picky).
So the explanation for the light usage might just be that it was nonobvious to use, a bit like it is nonobvious to use Jabber. There were recent efforts at improving setup for Jabber (such as providing information on clients, accounts and servers), something similar for audio would have been helpful. 
A better path would have been to make it easier to use (RTFM) rather than killing it altogether.
Regards,
Julien.

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Subject: Proposal to discontinue live mp3 audio streams at IETF meetings

We propose to discontinue producing live mp3 audio streams for IETF meetings, starting with IETF 109 and we want to hear from the community before we do.

At many past meetings we have produced live mp3 streams for each session. These steams have been associated with physical meeting rooms, and appeared before and during the session as a link on the agenda page to a URL like 'http://mp3.conf.meetecho.com/ietf/ietf<some_number_associated_with_the_room>.m3u'. 


For the last several meetings, these have only been available as a live 
stream.
Recordings of that stream have not been made available after the 
meeting. The
full video recording provided by Meetecho has served as the way to listen to
(or watch) any given session after the fact.

Further, for the last several meetings, the live streams have seen very 
light
use, on the order of 10 uses for IETF 108.

Now that we are holding more meetings online, we have a requirement to allow
meetings to run outside their scheduled times. Allowing the live streams 
to run
outside their scheduled times will require changing how they are 
represented,
to no longer be associated with "rooms" or "tracks". The code refactor 
at both
the datatracker and at meetecho to support would not be a huge effort, 
but it
also would not be tiny. Instead, we feel that removing this complexity,
recognizing that the regular meetecho connection and recordings satisfy the
need, is the better use of our resources. That holds true even for future
in-person meetings.

There are several points that have been considered while arriving at this
proposal:

* Chairs use the recordings to fill in minutes.

     For the last several meetings, the chairs have been using the Meetecho
     recordings for this purpose. Recordings of the live mp3 streams haven't
     been available.

* Some participants (especially ADs) want to listen to more than one 
meeting at
   a time.

     Meetecho allows joining multiple sessions.

* Some participants may not have the bandwidth or a new enough computer 
to run
   meetecho.

     The use of the mp3 streams has been very low at the last several 
meetings.
     This population isn't using the mp3 streams to address the posited
     limitations.  If this is a     concern that some people think they 
will
     experience then we can look at asking Meetecho to allow sending only
     audio (muting all video).

* This removes a mechanism that allowed people to listen to a session in
   real-time without paying a registration fee.

    There will be ongoing discussion and tuning of the meeting registration
    structure. In the meantime, the fee waiver program is available and 
being
    improved.

Please send comments by 16 Oct 2020 either to tools-discuss@ietf.org or
directly to rjsparks@nostrum.com.

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