Re: [Tools-discuss] Updated survey (was: Proposed survey on I-D authoring tools)
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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org>, RFC Interest <rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org>,
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Updated survey (was: Proposed survey on I-D
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I think it will be useful to know this kind of stuff, and folks must recognize it's a "point in time" status. I worry about how long it will take to do the survey, but c'est la vie. On 10/1/20, 1:09 PM, "Jay Daley" <jay@ietf.org> wrote: The updated survey is below. Please note that - this doesn’t show the links - I am still not sure how to point people to their Datatracker stats page - the flow logic may change when the survey is tested. Further feedback is most welcome. Jay # Question Plan [PAGE] Introduction [HELPTEXT] Thank you for taking part in this survey. This survey has been sent to everyone who has authored an Internet-Draft (I-D) in the last five years and is open to anyone who has ever authored an I-D. We are hoping to understand what formats and tools you use to author I-Ds, from drafting to submission. In particular, we are hoping to find out more about the use (or non-use) of the v3 XML format for I-Ds, which became the publication format for RFCs on 16 September 2019. [QUESTION - Multiple Choice] Approximately, how many I-Ds have you authored in total (different I-Ds not versions of the same I-D)? If you need a reminder then your Datatracker page will have the details. • 0 • 1-5 • 6-10 • 11-20 • 21-50 • 51+ [QUESTION - Matrix/Rating Scale] Approximately, how many times have you submitted a draft (both a new draft and a new version) to the Datatracker? Items • 0 • 1-10 • 11-20 • 21-50 • 50-100 • 101+ Scale • In total • Last 2 years (Since September 2018) • Last year (since September 2019) [QUESTION - Multiple Choice] How many RFCs have you authored? • 0 • 1-5 • 6-10 • 11-20 • 21-50 • 51+ [PAGE] Drafting to submission [LOGIC] Only get here if they have authored an I-D. [QUESTION - Matrix/Rating Scale] How often have you used the following document format(s) and associated output process(es) (editor/template/converter) when authoring an I-D? (Ignore any you don’t know about) Items • Plain text using no markup • Plain text using a different output process • Markdown using the kramdown-rfc2629 converter • Markdown using the mmark converter • Markdown using the draftr converter • Markdown using the Pandoc2rfc converter • Markdown using a different output process • XML using the xml2rfc-xxe editor plugin • XML using xml2rfc to create plain text for submission • XML using a different output process • AsciiDoc using the metanorma-ietf (formerly known as asciidoctor-rfc) converter • AsciiDoc using a different output process • TeX / LaTeX using the lyx2rfc editor plugin • TeX / LaTeX using a different output process • nroff using the Nroff Edit editor • nroff using nroff2xml template • nroff using a different output process • .doc/.docx using Joe Touch’s Word Template (RFC5385) • .doc/.docx using a different output process (This means specifically using rich text styles that a template/convertor will recognise) • Other format (Only use this option if you author in a different format to all of those above) [PLEASE SPECIFY what format you author in and what output process you use] Scale • Always • Very often • Sometimes • Rarely • Never [Ensure this is scored as 0] [QUESTION - Comment Box] If you answered “a different output process” in the question above then please specify what it is? [QUESTION - Checkboxes] How did you choose the document format(s) and associated output process(es) that you use? (Check all that apply) • I researched the tools • I decided on my authoring format first and then chose a tool that uses that • I saw a presentation on one of the tools at an IETF meeting • Another author of my document chose for me • The I-D I wanted to contribute to was already drafted in one of these tools • Someone else helped me set up my tools • Other [PLEASE SPECIFY] [QUESTION - Matrix/Rating Scale] How often have you used the following template(s) when drafting an I-D? (Ignore any you don’t know about) Items • A copy of a previous I-D / RFC • A template from https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_tools_templates_&d=DwIGaQ&c=96ZbZZcaMF4w0F4jpN6LZg&r=4LM0GbR0h9Fvx86FtsKI-w&m=xVHNxz6VGHMvSCNgEu_8tuBVqta0NSRyqdqKWHi40mo&s=DSnQGm6Hyl9_OfYe6k4icoHs57aG-7m1z883qZRIVYM&e= • A template that came with my chosen authoring tool/process • My own • Other [PLEASE SPECIFY] Scale • Always • Very often • Sometimes • Rarely • Never [Ensure this is scored as 0] [QUESTION - Matrix/Rating Scale] How often do you use the following checking tools? (Ignore any you don’t know about) Items • I validate against the RelaxNG schema for the RFC XML in my XML editor • Bill’s ABNF parser to check ABNF • idnits to check a draft before submission • idspell to check a draft for spelling errors • pyang to check YANG modules • RFC dependency checker • rfcdiff to find diffs between versions of drafts • SMICng to check MIBs • smilint to check MIBs • svgcheck to check a draft for SVG schema compliance • xml2rfc validator to validate RFC XML • YANG validator to check YANG modules Scale • Always • Very often • Sometimes • Rarely • Never [Ensure this is scored as 0] [QUESTION - Matrix/Rating Scale] How often do you use the following conversion tools? (Ignore any you don’t know about) Items • bibtext2rfc to convert bibtext citations into bibxml references • bibxml2md to convert bibxml references into markdown • Doublespace tool to change spacing between sentences to two spaces • id2xml to convert a plain text I-D into XML • rfc2629xslt to convert RFC XML to another format • xml2rfc to convert RFC XML to another format Scale • Always • Very often • Sometimes • Rarely • Never [Ensure this is scored as 0] [QUESTION - Checkboxes] How do you run your tools? (Check all that apply) • Locally • On a private hosted server • On an IETF public web service • On a third-party public web service • Other [PLEASE SPECIFY] [QUESTION - Multiple Choice] Do you run an automated build process? • Yes - I-D Template • Yes - Using GitHub CI/CD • Yes - Using Gitlab CI/CD • Yes - Using Jenkins • Yes - Using CircleCI • Yes - Other [PLEASE SPECIFY] • No [PAGE] XML v3 [QUESTION - Multiple Choice] How do you rate your knowledge of the v3 official RFC/I-D XML format? • Excellent • Good • Fair • Poor • None [QUESTION - Matrix/Rating Scale] How satisfied are you with the following characteristics of the v3 XML format? Items • Ease of use • Features • Documentation • Tools support • Other [PLEASE SPECIFY] Scale • Very satisfied • Satisfied • Neutral • Dissatisfied • Very dissatisfied • N/A [QUESTION - Matrix/Rating Scale] How important are the following characteristics of the v3 XML format to you? Items • Ease of use • Features • Documentation • Tools support • Other [PLEASE SPECIFY] Scale • Very important • Important • Neutral • Unimportant • Very unimportant • N/A [QUESTION - Comment Box] What more needs to be done to support the rollout of the v3 XML format? [PAGE] State of the current authoring tools landscape [QUESTION - Matrix/Rating Scale] How satisfied are you with the following characteristics of authoring tools? Items • Ease of use • Integration with IETF processes • Support for the full range of tags / metadata • Control of output • Support of various output formats • Integration with version control systems • Speed at which new features are added • Overall quality • Choice of different tools • Other [PLEASE SPECIFY] Scale • Very satisfied • Satisfied • Neutral • Dissatisfied • Very dissatisfied • N/A [QUESTION - Matrix/Rating Scale] How Important are the following characteristics of authoring tools to you? Items • Ease of use • Integration with IETF processes • Support for the full range of tags / metadata • Control of output • Support of various output formats • Integration with version control systems • Speed at which new features are added • Overall quality • Choice of different tools • Other [PLEASE SPECIFY] Scale • Very important • Important • Neutral • Not important • Not at all important • N/A [QUESTION - Multiple Choice] Should the IETF invest in a new, modern toolchain for authoring drafts? • Strongly agree • Agree • Neutral • Disagree • Strongly disagree [QUESTION - Matrix/Rating Scale] How important is it for you for any new tool to support the following authoring formats? Items • Plain text • Markdown • XML • nroff • AsciiDoc • Some form of WYSIWYG (e.g. MS Word or LibreOffice) • Other [PLEASE SPECIFY] Scale • Very important • Important • Neutral • Not important • Not at all important • N/A [QUESTION - Comment Box] Do you have any more feedback on authoring tools and formats? -- Jay Daley IETF Executive Director jay@ietf.org ___________________________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_tools-2Ddiscuss&d=DwIGaQ&c=96ZbZZcaMF4w0F4jpN6LZg&r=4LM0GbR0h9Fvx86FtsKI-w&m=xVHNxz6VGHMvSCNgEu_8tuBVqta0NSRyqdqKWHi40mo&s=IClP4a41N1JspVd_SfEh2fZUdJ0sZGo86bjQaPPWsfE&e= Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org bugs at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tools.ietf.org_tools_ietfdb&d=DwIGaQ&c=96ZbZZcaMF4w0F4jpN6LZg&r=4LM0GbR0h9Fvx86FtsKI-w&m=xVHNxz6VGHMvSCNgEu_8tuBVqta0NSRyqdqKWHi40mo&s=i5rznLdvxJkg5w8D-bVLZ8y7-yi7o2X3opal9vPIlOE&e= or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tools.ietf.org_tools_issues&d=DwIGaQ&c=96ZbZZcaMF4w0F4jpN6LZg&r=4LM0GbR0h9Fvx86FtsKI-w&m=xVHNxz6VGHMvSCNgEu_8tuBVqta0NSRyqdqKWHi40mo&s=63Mz1exu5UWe_yZecJIBR0XSFuZeFruwNhEjH8PjKbM&e= or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org
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