Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@mail2.ietf.org Delivered-To: tools-discuss@mail2.ietf.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49ECF80B4E2A for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2025 08:55:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ietf.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: mail2.ietf.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=krose.org Received: from mail2.ietf.org ([166.84.6.31]) by localhost (mail2.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e3u2TYkIFRYC for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2025 08:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oo1-xc2c.google.com (mail-oo1-xc2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E683D80B4E1D for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2025 08:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oo1-xc2c.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-654ecc2af8eso975732eaf.1 for ; Sun, 02 Nov 2025 08:55:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=krose.org; s=google; t=1762102536; x=1762707336; darn=ietf.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=vYl3JxntFdYEyszD6lA97IdKAKfPahlohGuhnobBzzw=; b=jc7F5+7lF2utiPKwBxr5/KpLaSbP89QU93g++eUe0YAHsDD12qlDI4SFX2l83+c9Q5 u7ArsEGAOuVgJuHjAKptaqxeAGRNH5Uywknqjq6dcDdQKLnvySGql2Z0ILho53KW5Sba LPcvGRTPCRd6C9QsI/uddX0W4dklazKAvvAFc= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1762102536; x=1762707336; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=vYl3JxntFdYEyszD6lA97IdKAKfPahlohGuhnobBzzw=; b=EFohdHouWytcAgRkNE3aaO7pinAymkWkjFOQVqaqYdYi0O0X9ti4Iwlni3HqvhDZj/ Z22rPuXML/izy95g4LXWeyGpORoWnJ+jpBWokLO8j8HNgyH+Z6XggOOOZ8KEjMjb/AdV 8sCdvlHiQYzzLwQjynNuOPd8UHEA/6vdsB851GWo7GK15T6DazD8xyo+0hsXpM1j//uT WJ6n/rJhGpTjnPvMqCW5vQPyOyBFZ6WmYkKUEk/oeV4gnau6GHCY1UGwwsYrS4nL/J7l YIOErerPl0IlD4W2Mjgm9AtJnE9pBw/MuHs9Chvf4S4VvglbQNGpaqlpfuf/wPZXEbeO e1qw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCU6g2OfqTDjD89RhV38KJeJPfLf7U38sER7lTbv2Feas16DqfpJmUAkkZFMPsyd8ttxVk0sYYS6fSS4Graq@ietf.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzUdDLNTTUtbvO5DHChBHQB7fj3gREu9rXBYd++b9blIwr3R1ia Z7WLFtkT6m9OycjZEAbwF1kABR00EzfIidRHZQ7+VbtytUfFZ1OXv6wWy0jAhTfVl+MviZNDkRt AQklWDm79mcMDSxiB2PIBp7C6IoqplT8vx4cBCgkYjSaFtQev93APLJmqDg== X-Gm-Gg: ASbGnctA62f13XlKpQ6rDCjFJAFuvxeiz1+tANYh/Fz3BNewvd7rR7tta+Muo2zK7La m+jvsoGlwlfG0hO6sIsFPgAECbJTlAccJf7f82DGsGcVghesEfp/hKCHJFCjSYEMJwOUgVVyRxo LMLp5emlEJE4KnwY27UiZvowmOYWA2TWunNQdZCz7BFzb3r92tbAG00Byyi0bOh3HnZWgUdII3a mJDx2ir+8m/zCe05YZwB3B4Ds5KSIi/5JyBvR+d4X7jVtPWuOtAKLri/AYctzW3jxNtcew2dZaT mgzxusH7S1ahfV/QTg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHyTpV1fCbpowDVzyqpZhGlgCJTkeM6FK9D4d7ynz7M7xjyMT/iGE1yMG9+hPSiYvcwloOotjTvb4yVmTVZX6c= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6820:4dc7:b0:653:827d:1abb with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-6568a3fb014mr3916281eaf.2.1762102536228; Sun, 02 Nov 2025 08:55:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <94CA951C-C908-428F-938F-CF54CA3CBDFC@ietf.org> In-Reply-To: From: Kyle Rose Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2025 11:55:25 -0500 X-Gm-Features: AWmQ_blBDyHSTA1YIz2kPwurGjI97oqW660MLaHTbsB7GmM__IuJ3Th07JDocFs Message-ID: To: Marc Petit-Huguenin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bae0b806429f77e7" Message-ID-Hash: FTP5E2LANY34WS3BB3Q2KXRBC7QLY5GM X-Message-ID-Hash: FTP5E2LANY34WS3BB3Q2KXRBC7QLY5GM X-MailFrom: krose@krose.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tools-discuss.ietf.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Tools Team Discussion X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc6 Precedence: list Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BTools-discuss=5D_Re=3A_A_=22pronunciation=22_resource=3F?= List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000bae0b806429f77e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 2, 2025 at 11:35=E2=80=AFAM Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote: > Storing the pronunciation in, say, IPA does not require to already know > the English pronunciation of everything: /ma=C9=BEk p=C9=99ti-yg=C9=99n= =C9=9B=CC=83/ No, it only requires you to know IPA, which probably far fewer IETF participants know than the pronunciation of basic English words. I took linguistics in college, too... 31 years ago. Fuck if I can remember any of that. If IPA is the preference, please provide a tool that speaks the IPA. Kyle --000000000000bae0b806429f77e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Nov 2, 2025 at 11:35=E2=80=AFAM Marc Petit-Huguenin &= lt;marc@petit-huguenin.org&g= t; wrote:
Storing the pronunciation in, = say, IPA does not require to already know the English pronunciation of ever= ything: /ma=C9=BEk p=C9=99ti-yg=C9=99n=C9=9B=CC=83/

No, it only requ= ires you to know IPA, which probably far fewer IETF participants know than = the pronunciation of basic English words. I took linguistics in college, to= o... 31 years ago. Fuck if I can remember any of that.

If IPA is the preference, please provide a to= ol that speaks the IPA.

K= yle

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