Re: [Tools-discuss] <contact/>: asciiFullname should be latinFullname

Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> Wed, 07 October 2020 15:01 UTC

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Hi Carsten,

On 2020-10-07 16:32, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> On 2020-10-07, at 16:20, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
>> 
>>> The original specification was strict ASCII.  (...)
>> 
>> Pointer?
> 
> RFC 7991 Section 2.7.1-.3 (and a ton of “ascii” attributes patched
> into other places) says “ASCII”. Not “strict ASCII”, but I don’t know
> the difference between the two. RFC 7997 says ASCII or ASCII-only
> when it really is talking about “accessible to a reader familiar with
> the Latin writing system” (except maybe for Section 3.4); that is
> exactly the bug that I’m trying to address.

Sorry for my linguistic mistake.  I was trying to say 'ASCII' in the
sense of strictly ASCII.

As for what 7991 is really talking about, interpreting 'ASCII' as
“accessible to a reader familiar with the Latin writing system”, rather
than strictly ASCII, I'll leave that interpretation as yours.  That's not
the understanding I got from 7991.

I indicated earlier that I thought expanding the use use of Latin to
the case you raised was reasonable, but it seems that response wasn't
enough for you, so now I have no idea of how to respond.


	Henrik

> Of course, the Relax-NG in RFC 7991 doesn’t enforce that textual
> mandate, so no schema change is needed to fix this bug.> 
> Grüße, Carsten
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