Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live mp3 audio streams at IETF meetings
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Thu, 01 October 2020 16:33 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live mp3 audio streams at IETF meetings
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Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote: > We propose to discontinue producing live mp3 audio streams for IETF > meetings, starting with IETF 109 and we want to hear from the community > before we do. uhm, okay. > Now that we are holding more meetings online, we have a requirement to > allow meetings to run outside their scheduled times. Allowing the live > streams to run outside their scheduled times will require changing how > they are represented, to no longer be associated with "rooms" or > "tracks". The code refactor at both the datatracker and at meetecho to > support would not be a huge effort, but it also would not be > tiny. Instead, we feel that removing this complexity, recognizing that > the regular meetecho connection and recordings satisfy the need, is the > better use of our resources. That holds true even for future in-person > meetings. I understand. I would request that the mp4's that are produced and uploaded to youtube be made available via some other site as well. I'm okay if the site has no "player", and if it's just raw files, and I'm okay if the bandwidth per connection is intentionally set such that I can't stream it "live". (That is, I'd have to start a transfer for the 1hr recording, and it may take more than 1hr to download. I'm not insisting that this be done, I'm just saying that I'm okay if for reasons of cost-of-CPU-diskio-and-bandwidth it works out that way.) There is still a contingent that dislikes having to deal with Big Tech. The audio recordings were publically available records that did not involve that. I am interested in who those 10 uses in IETF108 are. Is that one person for 10 sessions? Or 10 different users? I can imagine that there are some people for whom a live video stream is too bandwidth intensive. Still, meetecho has some options to suppress video receiving I thought.. > * Some participants (especially ADs) want to listen to more than one > meeting at a time. My record is three meetecho windows, and a lot of use the mute button my audio mixer :-) > * Some participants may not have the bandwidth or a new enough computer > to run meetecho. > The use of the mp3 streams has been very low at the last several > meetings. This population isn't using the mp3 streams to address > the posited limitations. If this is a concern that some people > think they will experience then we can look at asking Meetecho to > allow sending only audio (muting all video). I thought that we already had this. > * This removes a mechanism that allowed people to listen to a session > in real-time without paying a registration fee. I think that this will be the biggest hurdle. Given how the waivers have been repositioned, perhaps this is much less of a hurdle. -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca> . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Maisonneuve, Julien (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Adam Roach
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Tom Pusateri
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Tom Pusateri
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… John C Klensin
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Watson Ladd
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Tom Pusateri
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Maisonneuve, Julien (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Tom Pusateri
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Maisonneuve, Julien (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Robert Sparks
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Tom Pusateri
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Robert Sparks
- [Tools-discuss] Reminder (Re: [Manycouches] Propo… Robert Sparks
- [Tools-discuss] Closure (was Re: Reminder (Re: [M… Robert Sparks