From nobody Mon Apr 12 07:56:17 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73563A2146 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 07:56:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.817 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.817 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, URI_DOTEDU=0.28] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bQqvngJ8cKHc for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 07:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ed1-x52f.google.com (mail-ed1-x52f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91AC53A210F for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 07:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x52f.google.com with SMTP id f8so15444921edd.11 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 07:56:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=qSSYY3lCcckuIA5VFh3Q4b236yoQNvamCZfrNQVLakQ=; b=JVgWe9uqUMomnUgXECaX5iEj6E9GhKlB1d3YpvzZo1njtrBVRjyisD8qR1xAIfMVzF /70uK00mdyyxmq7sOinws4cobn5zVc1kLGAcbQ2LH0+dDD93lXQkL/qA6ZoLhuJ2KoWj Tlqp99Xosv9R47msK2wepOhx5NHzS0GSN7JvivuxZ6KEI3K9wXHttQj8TdMgx56RyF3n 3bBa406Bd7WNGLzwCbQYK5dCXW74Tk+Vp5vAf8PTvnh9thx0e+gIeZb851MtTaov5wtC DN7h6qepYJ0D2zS0qXTFcsKg1yP2u8pE23C/99pA0CzzIvT+Ug4rIKR0IxXh+J6jWBDc aRzQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qSSYY3lCcckuIA5VFh3Q4b236yoQNvamCZfrNQVLakQ=; b=Cl94cny/emUjs6cbYhPjs4gqtP+evFQBPRNuGSZk9nrX0LQdsvDcsacFp0OmwKeDl5 7ovZs54lsMw0xpxPXMGMVhkWSB/PQaNWINlL8C6Yu12WWRh7etKuR/jZXwXbHXBR7rpF UAMM0g2GlHy6EnOTUKqUR1b/+ImQp5q90QrWaXcNHYZvWsvu1yy3cxXZ4qEmvPK50Oaf 6x+NBbezhcpIemCCiirl3XM+j9m+R53eMKD3EmaVWqEmGPo3+zEFBnpW/RFVat6bV8Ca 7j/2lo9LeipNjLOPT0YtYbX4qv4KBh0mqtiBH+o9ahaMjAPVHZRDVYm3ihBnMyVQgzJu 7kbw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532HvTWlWYDc2nT2uRUuapo71YMC57ceLoBoYnIitsEmSlCowr4l 2SQSos/HlcPWBVoatw+vu9RodtyqFJ60arl5LDA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwrbu13UCg5oHqdd5OFLEQy+1EfGWT+YTQ4QqCx0ObHUiSSZKGXjKHdN7LjKjQI433rH55SyXyDLrQYz5Mo5QQ= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:441:: with SMTP id p1mr29811724edw.298.1618239357732; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 07:55:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20557.1618171860@localhost> <66fd7812-4d2c-bf9d-d4bf-16c501754d7e@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66fd7812-4d2c-bf9d-d4bf-16c501754d7e@gmail.com> From: Richard Barnes Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 10:55:46 -0400 Message-ID: To: Brian E Carpenter Cc: Carsten Bormann , Michael Richardson , rfc-interest , tools-discuss Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000144b7005bfc7b6ff" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces page-count? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 14:56:16 -0000 --000000000000144b7005bfc7b6ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Lawyers and judges are happy to cite by section. Time to move on from tired, inaccurate metaphors. https://guides.ll.georgetown.edu/bluebook/citing-other On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 4:50 PM Brian E Carpenter < brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > On 12-Apr-21 08:12, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > On 2021-04-11, at 22:11, Michael Richardson > wrote: > >> > >> Signed PGP part > >> > >> If RFCs won't be paginated, how will I know approximately how long a > document is? > > > > Use the page count of the PDF then. > > (This is less stable over time, as the rendering may change, but > probably as useful as the existing page count.) > > Yes, my guess is that PDF will become the go-to version for people (such > as lawyers and judges) who want page references for new-format RFCs. > > Brian > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > --000000000000144b7005bfc7b6ff Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lawyers and judges are happy to cite by section.=C2=A0 Tim= e to move on from tired, inaccurate metaphors.


On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 4:50 PM= Brian E Carpenter <brian= .e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12-Apr-21 08:12, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> On 2021-04-11, at 22:11, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:=
>>
>> Signed PGP part
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>> If RFCs won't be paginated, how will I know approximately how = long a document is?
>
> Use the page count of the PDF then.
> (This is less stable over time, as the rendering may change, but proba= bly as useful as the existing page count.)

Yes, my guess is that PDF will become the go-to version for people (such as= lawyers and judges) who want page references for new-format RFCs.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Brian

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