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Re: [Tools-discuss] Why do we even have text formats any more?

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Fri, 30 July 2021 22:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Why do we even have text formats any more?
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Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
    >> > This isn't perfect, but it seems pretty good to me.
    >>
    >> I agree: it looks great.
    >> I also agree that we should obsolete the htmlizer.

    > I don't think we can - what do you want to show for older RFCs? I think
    > people expect the html-ized version, and we can't render v3 html for
    > those.

but, if the file doesn't change then the HTML doesn't change, so it's just
static content after it's been run once, isn't it?

    > Further - the discussion so far is ignoring (or presuming a change in) the
    > large set of submissions we get now (as plain text) that do not have rfcxml
    > anywhere in their production process.

I agree that diff creates an important requirement to keep generating and
serving txt, and I'd forgotten that.  (And I'm a big rfcdiff user)

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Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
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