Re: [Tools-discuss] IETF Administration LLC staffing update

Adam Roach <> Tue, 08 June 2021 05:21 UTC

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On 6/7/21 23:59, Jay Daley wrote:
> I’ll leave the IESG to speak for themselves but I will note that this 
> new email address was created with the permission of the IESG. The 
> previous email for our Senior SDE did not have prior permission 
> because I thought there was an agreement to use a specific naming 
> scheme - - to avoid any possible future 
> conflicts, but my recollection was off the mark and so this time I 
> specifically sought permission. 

Okay -- this approach of continuing to grant exceptions differs 
materially and importantly from the conclusion that the IESG seated at 
IETF 104 reached. I can see how the current situation would be both 
frustrating for you and tenuous in general: an ad-hoc system of one-off 
approvals seems capricious and unsustainable, especially in the face of 
a steering group that changes composition every year.

As we all seem to be in agreement that the IESG has authority in this 
matter, I would implore this IESG to develop a formal position on the 
topic and write it down, both so that future IESGs have a point of 
reference for future decisions, and so that the community can be 
informed of decisions regarding stewardship of the domain.