Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-D authoring tools

tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com> Fri, 02 October 2020 16:28 UTC

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On 01/10/2020 17:13, Jay Daley wrote:
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>> On 2/10/2020, at 4:52 AM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
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>> i started to wonder two things
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>> what is all this about?  who actually wants this survey and why?
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> It started with an action I took in the most recent RSOC meeting to survey authors to understand choices on draft submission formats because those directly affect the work of the RPC which in turn affects the SLA and the contract cost.  The adoption of the v3 XML as the RFC publication format in September 2019 has meant a significant increase in costs as the RPC has to convert plain text or v2 XML submissions into v3.
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> In that context I was surprised to hear that a number of people author in XML and then use xml2rfc to convert to plain text and submit that plain text I-D.

Jay

Perhaps they do not know what they are doing.  Perhaps I do not know what
I am doing!  I am a very occasional submitter.  I edit in plain text 
(Wordpad), usually starting with a previous submission so much of the 
XML is there, add new XML as needed (YANG made me comfortable with XML) 
and then go to datatracker submit which rejects me a few times for 
syntax errors after which I succeed and get an e-mail to tell me so.

I have always assumed that it is the XML that is submitted but your 
statement makes me wonder if in fact I am submitting plain text.  I do 
not know, I cannot tell.  I do not know what box to tick in the 
questionaire. Plain text with XML markup and datatracker submit '.xml 
format'.

Tom Petch

> After my first draft it became clear that this had to loop in the tools teams as the survey could not focus on formats without also covering tools as the two are so closely linked.
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>> and, as you started it, jay, i wonder what toolchain you use to author
>> drafts?
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> The last time I authored a draft was in 2013 and I wrote that in XML using the OxygenXML commercial XML editor with xml2rfc to validate it. I don’t remember what format I used to submit it.  That draft btw was all about XML/XSLT.  https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/Jay%20Daley
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