Re: [Tools-discuss] rfc-editor.org mailing lists don't add "Archived-At"?
Glen <glen@amsl.com> Tue, 20 July 2021 20:56 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] rfc-editor.org mailing lists don't add "Archived-At"?
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Hello Lars - I haven't seen any replies, so, speaking only as the operator for both the IETF and the RFC-Editor, I will try to answer those questions for you. > From: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> > Subject: [Tools-discuss] rfc-editor.org mailing lists don't add "Archived-At"? > Am I correct in my understanding that rfc-editor.org mailing lists don't add > "Archived-At" headers? You are correct. > Also, are there any other lists that "we" host that don't add "Archived-At" headers? No, there are no lists we (the IETF) host that don't add those headers. The IETF currently hosts all of its list on its central server grid, across several domains, and they all have that header added. In the case of the IETF, the Archived-At headers are added as one of the many functions of the IETF's custom Postconfirm program, which interfaces with the IETF's custom Mail Archive tool. Both of those tools are IETF-owned products, and deployed on the IETF servers, providing those custom features to the IETF and the lists it runs. (As an aside, the IETF also provides "mirrors" of some external lists' archives, wherein we are not the primary provider of the list, but our archive system is just "subscribed" to that external list as a member. Those messages do not have the Archived-At header added to them, because the list messages come from an external source, and feed directly into the IETF Mail Archive, without actually being "processed" by the IETF mail chain.) But "We the IETF" don't actually host the RFC Editor mailing lists. Those lists are hosted on the RFC-Editor's servers, and are used by the Editor staff, and operated by the RFC-Editor. The custom systems used by the IETF are not deployed on or used by the RFC-Editor's servers in any way. The RFC-Editor deployment is just a "normal" Mailman instance, with the normal Mailman archives. > Could we add that? Anything is possible given appropriate circumstances, and there are different approaches we could take. I believe that the primary concerns are keeping the RFC-Editor's systems severable, and not disrupting the operations of the RFC Production Center or their staff. With that in mind, one approach might be to develop custom code for the RFC-Editor Mailman instance which would put a more-or-less generic Archived-At header into the messages that go through the list. As a simple example, an Archived-at header could be added which points to the monthly index for the message, as in https://www.rfc-editor.org/pipermail/rfc-interest/2021-July/ . That would require, I guess, an RFP from the IETF? RFC-Editor?, and could be deployed (I would hope) in a reasonably non-invasive way to the RFC-Editor servers. Other approaches no doubt exist, but this would be the simplest one I could think of. > PS: I also see that rfc-editor.org mailing lists are not searchable via > mailarchive. That also seems like a feature we'd want. I'm given to understand that the primary public lists, RFC-DIST, and RFC-INTEREST, should be searchable. They are certainly browse-able, at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/rfc-dist/ and https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/rfc-interest/ . For those, we took the same approach we took with other external lists, and we just do an external feed into the IETF Mail Archive. The primary archives are, of course, still on the RFC-Editor server, but the IETF Mail Archive does have the full copies available as shown above. If there are other lists that the RFC-Editor wants to share across, setting that up would be trivial. I hope this information is helpful, please feel free to contact me directly if you have any additional questions, and I will always do whatever I can to assist! Glen -- Glen Barney IT Director AMS (IETF and RPC Secretariat)
- [Tools-discuss] rfc-editor.org mailing lists don'… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Tools-discuss] rfc-editor.org mailing lists … Glen
- Re: [Tools-discuss] rfc-editor.org mailing lists … Robert Sparks
- Re: [Tools-discuss] rfc-editor.org mailing lists … Glen
- Re: [Tools-discuss] rfc-editor.org mailing lists … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] rfc-editor.org mailing lists … Glen