Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat service: xmpp

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 15 October 2020 23:57 UTC

Return-Path: <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4773A0D09 for <tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:57:55 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.311
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.213, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IuWVSheq6H1s for <tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:57:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-pl1-x62c.google.com (mail-pl1-x62c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 779D13A0D06 for <tools-discuss@ietf.org>; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:57:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-pl1-x62c.google.com with SMTP id p11so264767pld.5 for <tools-discuss@ietf.org>; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:57:53 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ETiw6eMheNkdA6lL/nWPI62BK7DTAdvfCUloCKoh8KQ=; b=JiK1NQyaQYA24cVMdBe2R7m+2oAWWhlQ+GHoUcrC1YLFP7IIlyK1JAw5q5TWKCpivW s5GAYYazcJ+4DWY2EzRJLnHua9+sgNXHlSyIiKh9Y+1KuUrYgClf/KODTlkhypCgQqtX UqOAf+hIY2ueCwSbGhx7f8fzfpHf5ytjCTaFmYSmc8SFk1PETJ9vHMW/4xaPyduuc67p f/U9ohyGHFhBQMA1gTHDZ84Cd3IkaZr4ejMCdjAtUWZFHRpN0vS76WXLFMrGy7Mwulut SuIJnbSp9uIuP7a+UBBE7hxBlDeZdKpQfzOw0cqvZyB9d79s2M6Tk3/Y28EARbCoTBk2 gNlA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ETiw6eMheNkdA6lL/nWPI62BK7DTAdvfCUloCKoh8KQ=; b=DlD1rkuM/B8YboH7ahy+NQ8Qg6pC2d4NJtK7E+FugOpD8TZgXfyDV1u157dGqdkDkS riwoEtKeo4FYlVlq3hjFgyMG98L59GPmq42cZTs7DKD4+AVwGOg6eOZ0HRTbSnQfUjfy 2TRuxpID7L5LQc9S05o+nukqLl0uCoGWCYs2f4M2XbvumxbYBoAiVL+X4csLXQbhbQtL 1gkAIYDA/rMPcxPShr6Ff8gV84/uaXKg8LQup7+prEhqJ3mxIUot15LLE57ijd/6RbSc 71Zw+4Dst3kYQ5U7mGhBOZN9t4koFd3b7reYJvgu3arzQAM8U1BmlSjj3PhoqyG9odsT oocQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530cCM3FJGJA1ZARoCqVUSlPagnzUXsxvnjgRV/MvmxHONh1wVfh OMcFjFHNlUsPlSjxJy3VU/ay/g0nPRQ=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyHBzPLmlKRXYt3tiBr/6MwW/S6q517vVnrWqbtuisH2hmW0qEAeyF6Be/aN2wJxKAEr9AAmw==
X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:19db:: with SMTP id 27mr1174002pjj.110.1602806272446; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:57:52 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [130.216.37.163] (sc-cs-567-laptop.uoa.auckland.ac.nz. [130.216.37.163]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t6sm454709pgn.26.2020.10.15.16.57.50 for <tools-discuss@ietf.org> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:57:51 -0700 (PDT)
To: Tools Team Discussion <tools-discuss@ietf.org>
References: <34251f1d-51e3-f8c3-94c6-e99e12585016@nostrum.com>
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1d816d82-c62b-c4cb-9336-702d1a317103@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:57:47 +1300
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <34251f1d-51e3-f8c3-94c6-e99e12585016@nostrum.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/Ad03qsKVBRDDlfT14W6awuvhHME>
Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat service: xmpp
X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion <tools-discuss.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/tools-discuss>, <mailto:tools-discuss-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/tools-discuss/>
List-Post: <mailto:tools-discuss@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tools-discuss-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss>, <mailto:tools-discuss-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:57:55 -0000

First comment is that when I connected to https://xmpp-trial1.ietf.org to create an account, with Gajim already installed, the "open the app" button didn't work.

It seems that installing Gajim back when this laptop was new didn't automatically set the association with xmpp: in Firefox. Setting it manually seems to be very obscure if at all possible.

OK, so I went the manual account creation route. I'm becarpenter@xmpp-trial1.ietf.org if anybody cares. It would be good if the invite pages suggested a test chat room to try.

I've managed to join hallway@jabber.ietf.org but my test messages seem to have vanished into a gravitational singularity, ditto a 1:1 message to someone else in the room. However, when I rejoin the room as becarpenter@jabber.org, I can see those messages were in fact displayed.

So right now jabber.org seems to work better than xmpp-trial1.ietf.org.

    Brian



Regards
   Brian Carpenter

On 15-Oct-20 06:45, Robert Sparks wrote:
> In addition to the trial instances of the matrix and zulip chat services,
> we have deployed a trial instance of an xmpp service that allows local 
> accounts
> to be registered, allows guest account access, and provides a web client.
> 
> These services are available at xmpp-trial1.ietf.org.
> 
> As noted earlier, we are deploying these services to gain operational
> experience and get community feedback about how well they meet the need for
> IETF-related chat.
> 
> We have clear evidence from the IETF 107 post-meeting survey
> (https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/ietf-107-survey-results.pdf) that many
> IETF participants find jabber a significant problem.  This is partly due to
> difficulties in finding a free jabber service and partly due to client 
> issues.
> There are two paths to try to resolve these problems, one is to improve the
> IETF jabber service and the other is to switch to an alternative groupchat
> solution. This addition explores the the first path.
> 
> This install has very little local configuration or customization.  As 
> with the
> other trials, over the next few weeks, we will be exploring 
> reconfiguring the
> service to use datatracker credentials for sign-in.  Bridging between the
> systems is already being explored. Please remember that one consequence of
> these explorations is that there will likely be times, outside of meetings,
> when accounts will be disrupted or even removed and will have to be 
> recreated.
> 
> We would like feedback on how well any of these services meet chat needs 
> during
> meetings, both the full online IETF 109 meeting, interims, adhocs, and 
> hallway
> conversations.
> 
> Around December, we will assess our experiences and the feedback received to
> inform which chat services we provide in the future and how we will operate
> them. In January, these trial instances will be taken down. We do not 
> intend to
> preserve or migrate any account configuration or chat history from the trial
> instances as we move forward.
> 
> The chat services are intended to be explorational and informal. However,
> please treat them as contexts where contribution rules apply (See
> https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/).
> 
> Please send feedback on the services to tools-discuss@ietf.org
> 
> There are several community members who have put in significant effort
> helping us to set up these trial instances. Please join me in thanking
> Tim April, Matthew Hodgson, and Matthew Wild for their assistance.
> 
> Robert Sparks - Tools team project manager
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> IETF-Announce mailing list
> IETF-Announce@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce
>