[Tools-discuss] Re: Agenda Data Loading Slowly
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Sat, 18 October 2025 13:26 UTC
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--On Friday, October 17, 2025 15:56 -0700 Rob Sayre
<sayrer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/13/25 5:12 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote:
>> So, it seems like maybe just remove the check for meeting number?
>
> Hi,
>
> It seems like there's too much detail on the older meetings. It's
> fine to make me click through to another page to get the details of
> the TLS WG meetings during IETF 122.
>
> Additionally, having been through this more than once, my advice
> would be to look at the highest-volume read traffic and optimize
> that. It can be something as radical as rewriting those in Go or
> Rust, or just working on the cache. You can keep some control panel
> page in really slow (but correct!) Python or Ruby forever.
>
> thanks,
> Rob
Rob,
The counter-argument to a proposal like this is that, for some of us
and especially for low-frequency participants, the information we are
most likely to be looking for in poking through old agendas is
information about WGs or work items we (and probably others) don't
regularly follow. Making that information hard to find or access
might have a tendency to weaken the IETF and the diversity of its
participants.
One could, IMO, reasonably argue for keeping both the old information
as-is and also having selective extracts of frequently needed
material along the lines you suggest. Whether that would be worth
the effort given other priorities is, of course, a separate question.
john
- [Tools-discuss] Agenda Data Loading Slowly Eric Rescorla
- [Tools-discuss] Re: Agenda Data Loading Slowly Bob Hinden
- [Tools-discuss] Re: Agenda Data Loading Slowly Eric Rescorla
- [Tools-discuss] Re: Agenda Data Loading Slowly Robert Sparks
- [Tools-discuss] Re: Agenda Data Loading Slowly Eric Rescorla
- [Tools-discuss] Re: Agenda Data Loading Slowly Robert Sparks
- [Tools-discuss] Re: Agenda Data Loading Slowly Eric Rescorla
- [Tools-discuss] Re: Agenda Data Loading Slowly Robert Sparks
- [Tools-discuss] Re: Agenda Data Loading Slowly Robert Sparks
- [Tools-discuss] Re: Agenda Data Loading Slowly Eric Rescorla
- [Tools-discuss] Re: Agenda Data Loading Slowly Rob Sayre
- [Tools-discuss] Re: Agenda Data Loading Slowly John C Klensin
- [Tools-discuss] Re: Agenda Data Loading Slowly Rob Sayre