[Tools-discuss] Re: Mail "subject" handling - has it changed?

Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> Thu, 16 May 2024 14:50 UTC

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Quick followup:

Using 
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?as=1&email_list=&end_date=&q=subject%3A%28External%29&qdr=a&start_date=

I think perhaps this is more likely a change what some participants are 
doing than a change in mailman. ipv6 is heavily affected, spasm is a 
little, but most other lists are not, and while the _telescoping_ of 
External: to the extent it's happening in ipv6 is new, having External: 
showing up in headers goes way back in several lists.

I'm not claiming that changes in mailman are not in play (and I have 
asked it to be looked at), but my quick read is that it's more likely 
not the root issue.

RjS

On 5/16/24 9:39 AM, Robert Sparks wrote:
> There's a chance it has. I'll forward this for investigation.
>
> RjS
>
> On 5/15/24 5:53 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> We've had a bit of a plague of absurd subject headers over on 6man, 
>> due to people whose corporate email system prepends "External:" to 
>> the subject. It's suddenly become recursive, so we got up to
>>
>>>>> Re: [IPv6]Re: External: Re: External: Re: Re: External: Re: 
>>>>> External: Re: Re: External: Re: External: Re: External: Re: RIOs 
>>>>> First...
>>
>> Has the mailman upgrade changed something, as David suggests below?
>>
>>    Brian
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject:     Re: [IPv6]Externality
>> Date:     Wed, 15 May 2024 17:25:29 -0500
>> From:     David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu>
>> To:     Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
>> CC:     ipv6@ietf.org
>>
>>
>>
>> I think there could be some interaction with the new mailing list 
>> behavior for IETF lists, which I've noticed lately. For me, Gmail is 
>> not associating my local copy or the direct copy of an email with the 
>> one from the list like it used to. So, I see two copies of emails 
>> sent through IETF Lists that I send or for which I am also a direct 
>> recipient.
>>
>> Thanks for the reminder, though.
>>
>> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 5:00 PM Brian E Carpenter 
>> <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>      >>> Re: [IPv6]Re: External: Re: External: Re: Re: External: Re: 
>> External: Re: Re: External: Re: External: Re: External: Re: RIOs 
>> First...
>>     OK, we get it, it's external email...
>>
>>     Please could people trim such garbage out of the subject field 
>> when replying? It makes obvious techniques for managing email threads 
>> painful or impossible.
>>
>>     Regards
>>          Brian Carpenter
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