Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-D authoring tools

Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> Wed, 30 September 2020 23:22 UTC

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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2020 09:22:17 +1000
From: "Martin Thomson" <mt@lowentropy.net>
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-D authoring tools
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On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 09:07, Randy Bush wrote:
> > [QUESTION - Multiple Choice]
> > Approximately, how many I-Ds have you authored in total (different I-Ds not versions of the same I-D)?
> > If you need a reminder then your Datatracker page will have the
> > details.
> 
> not obvious how for not-a-datatracker-geek.  give instructions, please

Reasonable request.  https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/Randy%20Bush (or https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/<your name here>)

> uh, where is xml using a classic ascii text editor, e.g. emacs, and xml2rfc?

Mea culpa.  I reviewed this and I should have noticed that.  I used to use nxml-mode all the time until I found easier options.  I think that the "XML with other" option might fit, but it isn't clear enough to capture what is still a pretty common flow.