[Tools-discuss] Re: Be careful when sending images to the list

[Eric Rescorla <[e-mail]>]

On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 11:40 AM Nicolas Giard <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> We will use SES soon, but we are not at the moment.
>
> However, mail still needs to be processed before submitted to SES for
> distribution.
> This processing uses CPU/RAM resources and bandwidth between the compute
> and SES endpoints.
>
> There's also an additional cost to sending attachments, which SES charges
> per GB (in addition to the per email cost).
>
> So yes there are actual costs to embedding images versus just linking to
> them.
>

Yes, I'm asking what those costs are, so that I can get a sense of whether
they are material.

-Ekr


> Nick
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 1:31 PM Eric Rescorla <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> In Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 8:55 AM Robert Sparks <[e-mail]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mostly its in the time it takes to hand the larger message off to each
>>> recipients next MTA and the bandwidth that consumes. This competes with
>>> other traffic to other lists.
>>>
>>
>> I thought we were using SES, in which case isn't it Amazon's bandwidth?
>> Surely they have plenty.
>>
>> -Ekr
>>
>>
>>> Until recently it also competed with handling web services requests, but
>>> we’ve (almost) separated those concerns.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 26, 2024, at 6:27 AM, Eric Rescorla <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 10:44 AM Robert Sparks <[e-mail]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All -
>>>>
>>>> When sending images, think about the size, and the cost of sending a
>>>> large thing back out to a large number of subscribers. If you need to
>>>> provide a large image, consider using a link one of the many websites
>>>> available for such things.
>>>>
>>>> When replying to a message with a large image, consider trimming the
>>>> image from the reply.
>>>>
>>>> Please don't read this as saying "don't send images" - they can be very
>>>> useful, especially on this list. The point is to think about the best
>>>> way to get the images to the list recipients.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can you provide some sense of the incremental cost to the IETF here? I'm
>>> trying to understand whether it's material.
>>>
>>> -Ekr
>>>
>>>
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