Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Fwd: Next steps: chat service trials

[Alexandre Petrescu <[e-mail]>]

Le 14/12/2020 à 20:38, Robert Sparks a écrit :
> Hi Alex -
> 
> On 12/12/20 9:30 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 11/12/2020 à 20:17, Robert Sparks a écrit :
>>> Hopefully everyone on both the chairs and manycouches list follows 
>>> ietf-announce, but in case not:
>>>
>>> (Discussion should take place on [e-mail])
> Please honor the Reply-To header on these messages (also set on this 
> one) and keep this conversation on [e-mail]
>>
>> I think one can stay home only if s/he had the right tools to meet 
>> online.
>>
>>> We are not aware of anyone trying to use the zulip or matrix servers 
>>> for ietf work outside the main meeting.
>>
>> I can try them.  But what is the zulip or matrix URL that I can click on?
> 
> For convenience:
> 
> https://zulip-trial1.ietf.org, https://matrix-trial1.ietf.org and 
> https://xmpp-trial1.ietf.org

I try to connect to the zulip URL but it does not accept my existing 
IETF datatracker|mailarchive password.  However, it offers a possibility 
to create a new account ("S'inscrire").  Should I create a new account 
for zulip?

(fyi, when I connect to meetecho I use my existing IETF
  datatracker|mailarchive password)

Alex

> 
> Those are detailed more thoroughly in the announcements you can re-read at
> 
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf-announce/?q="trial chat"
> 
> 
>>
>>> If you've used the services, please take a few minutes to provide 
>>> feedback at [e-mail].
>>
>> This is a good point.  I wonder whether there can be an automated
>> forwarding between lists that have a certain common interest? E.g. when
>> I post here with 'tools' in the Subject line it also gets there, and
>> vice-versa with 'couches'.
> The zulip instance ingests a few mailing lists, but that bridge is not 
> bi-directional. There are different modes of conversation with email and 
> chat - the email reflection of chat would look similar to an email 
> reflection of a jabber room - not a very pleasant way to consume or 
> participate in the chat.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>>
>>> RjS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject:     Next steps: chat 
>>> service trials Date:     Fri, 11 Dec 2020 13:00:58 -0600 From: Robert 
>>> Sparks <[e-mail]> Reply-To:     tools-discuss 
>>> <[e-mail]> To:     [e-mail]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have been running trial zulip, matrix, and xmpp services since 
>>> October. See 
>>> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf-announce/?q=%22trial%20chat%22> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> As noted in those announcements, the issue that we are trying to
>>> address is the difficulty people have been reporting obtaining
>>> jabber services and clients. We are hopeful that these trials will
>>> help the community develop a better sense of whether to focus on
>>> improving the experiences with xmpp or to pursue other chat
>>> solutions. We are also open to the possibility that these other
>>> solutions may be worth operating in addition to improving the
>>> experiences from xmpp.
>>>
>>> However, usage and feedback so far has not been sufficient to inform 
>>> what services we should run in the future.
>>>
>>> We had around 50 local jabber accounts created on 
>>> xmpp-trial1.ietf.org, and around 40 accounts were created on each of 
>>> the matrix and zulip services. Few rooms have been created on the 
>>> matrix service other than those bridging to xmpp. Few streams were 
>>> created on the zulip service other than those bridging to xmpp and 
>>> those ingesting a few mailing lists.
>>>
>>> We are not aware of anyone trying to use the zulip or matrix servers 
>>> for ietf work outside the main meeting.
>>>
>>> If you've used the services, please take a few minutes to provide 
>>> feedback at [e-mail].
>>>
>>> Is providing local jabber accounts and a web interface to jabber 
>>> sufficient? Are there features that matrix or zulip provide that are 
>>> truly helpful for progressing IETF work? If so, please describe how 
>>> they are helping.
>>>
>>> To collect more feedback, we are planning to extend the trials 
>>> through IETF 110. Please take advantage of these services between
>>> now and then (at interim meetings for example) and let us know what
>>> you find to be effective.
>>>
>>> If you are interested in using these services more directly for your 
>>> group's day-to-day communication, and are willing to test one or both
>>> of these services on a primary basis for a while, please coordinate
>>> with the appropriate leadership and let the tools team know so we can
>>> help accommodate.  Please consider using these services for ad-hoc,
>>> design-team meetings, and even interims (again, coordinating with the
>>> appropriate leadership).
>>>
>>> If you have had issues using Jabber in the past, please take some 
>>> time now to work with these new services and describe whether they 
>>> improve your experience.
>>>
>>> We need more feedback about these services to develop a sense of
>>> what will best meet the community's needs going forward. Please
>>> engage in exploring and discussing them at [e-mail].
>>>
>>> While exploring, feel free to use the trial1-feedback room on Matrix 
>>> and the trial1-feedback stream on Zulip.
>>>
>>> Thanks again to the volunteers that have been helping configure
>>> these services and keep them going.
>>>
>>> Robert Sparks, Tools Team Chair
>>>
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