[Tools-discuss] Re: Automated mail on call for adoption and working group last call

Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net> Mon, 13 October 2025 19:33 UTC

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Dangit!

Murray just got bit by this. Aside from not having a way to opt out of 
this email (in this case because he just sent an email to the list 
explaining, so there was no need, but I can think of other such cases), 
but "blank" weeks is not equal to "2" weeks! Please let's not have tools 
create official processes that are not documented anywhere. There is no 
requirement anywhere that a CFA needs to be (or even default to) 2 
weeks. "Typically" in an expired draft does not constitute policy.

I hate when tool changes create policies.

<end of rant>

Grumpily,

pr
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Pete Resnick https://www.episteme.net/
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On 22 Aug 2025, at 18:23, Robert Sparks wrote:

> Chairs -
>
> The IESG asked that the datatracker send email automatically when a 
> group puts a document into the WG state of "call for adoption issued" 
> or "working group last call issued". That change was part of 
> yesterday's datatracker deployment. It surprised at least one chair, 
> for which I apologize.
>
> To see the details, look at
>
> https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/9142 (the request 
> from the IESG)
>
> and
>
> https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/pull/9322 (the PR from a 
> volunteer that added the functionality).
>
> If you have use cases like the one Bob Hinden ran afoul of (going and 
> adding the state to the datatracker long after the actual call had 
> been issued) for which the current implementation will cause you 
> trouble, please open an issue or send mail to tools-discuss. I'll make 
> sure the IESG follows the discussion.
>
> RjS