Re: [Tools-discuss] Why do we even have text formats any more?

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Sat, 31 July 2021 04:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Why do we even have text formats any more?
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Am 31.07.2021 um 00:14 schrieb Michael Richardson:
>
> Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
>      >> Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> wrote:
>      >> > I realize that this might be a little inflammatory as far as subjects
>      >> > go, but bear with me.
>      >>
>      >> > There are probably a few narrow cases where rendering plain text is
>      >> > better than HTML.
>      >>
>      >> The time when it's nice to have actual .txt files is when writing code, and
>      >> one needs to search for, and then copy and pasting bits of requirement into the code.
>      >> ...
>
>      > Why exactly doesn't that work for HTML? Loss of line breaks in prose?
>
> When I load the HTML into my programming editor, I see markup, not text.
>
> I don't really want to fish through a browser in another window.

Ok.

> I also don't want paste to include any extra stuff.

"extra stuff" such as?

Best regards, Julian