Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired draft on the w.g. status pages [was Re: disappearing IDs on]) Wed, 23 September 2020 02:36 UTC

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Carsten Bormann <> writes:
> This is a nice example of "process confabulation", designing software
> for what SHOULD happen, not for what actually DOES (and NEEDS TO)
> happen.

It also comes from confusing the position and role of a draft within the
IETF standards process with the position and role of a version of a
draft within the entire sphere of IETF-related technical activies.
Within the standards process, a draft that hasn't been updated within
six months may as well not exist, to do anything with it a new version
must be submitted; within what I might call "reality", every version of
every draft has value forever.