[Tools-discuss] Re: Reminder re: mailman3 list owner/moderator roles

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Fri, 17 May 2024 06:37 UTC

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Nice new user interface with mailman3. Thanks for the work.
Authentication via login is a lot easier now than those magic cross-chair/admin shared
list management passwords of the past!


On Thu, May 09, 2024 at 02:48:22PM -0500, Robert Sparks wrote:
> If you were a list owner or moderator, you remain so for the list that was
> migrated into mailman3.
> To operate on the list, you will need to claim the address used for that
> list as part of your account at mailman3. The mailman2 password you have
> used in the past is no longer useful in any way.
> When you first create an account, you'll prove you can receive email at the
> address being claimed, and then set a password. At that point, you will have
> owner/moderator access for every list that used that email address.
> For any other addresses that you may be configured as an owner or moderator
> of some list, you should claim those as additional addresses while logged
> into the first one. If you don't, and claim the second or subsequent
> addresses while logged out, you'll end up with multiple accounts, which will
> work, but you will probably want to merge them later, and its better to
> avoid the work in the first place. If you find you created multiple accounts
> accidentally, you can delete the one you didn't intend, and then claim its
> address in the one you wanted to keep.
> For instance, over time, I've had rjsparks@nostrum.com and RjS@nostrum.com
> (and maybe a few others) end up in configuration for lists that manage. I
> will create an account using rjsparks@nostrum.com and from inside that
> account claim RjS@nostrum.com.
> If you can no longer receive mail at an address that is listed for you as
> owner or moderator, you will have to ask your co-owner/moderators to change
> that value once they have access. You will also be able to request help from
> the secretariat, but please help each other as much as you can first.
> If you don't remember what address you were configured as owner or moderator
> with, look at the moderation reminder messages, ask your co-owner, or ask
> the secretariat.
> Note also that we do intend to eventually change this so that you use your
> datatracker credentials to access mailman3. There are a number of things
> that kept us from going straight to that without this intermediate step. But
> going through this step will make that future change easier.
> RjS