Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.org

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 11 September 2020 22:38 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.org
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On 12-Sep-20 07:16, Michael Richardson wrote:
> 
> Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
>     >> It's a behaviour change.
> 
>     > No - it's been that way for years.
> 
> Yes, I appreciate that the www.ietf.org links acted that way.
> But, www.ietf.org didn't have HTML rendering from HTML "for years"
> The DT pointed at tools.ietf.org for many things, and those URLs didn't expire.

Well, yes, that's the change and (IMNSHO) the proof that the tracker has
always had it wrong, as far as user convenience goes.

This isn't really a tools-discuss problem, since the datatracker is simply
doing what RFC2026 implies, i.e. disappearing a draft when it is replaced:

"At any time, an
 Internet-Draft may be replaced by a more recent version of the same
 specification, restarting the six-month timeout period...
 ...Internet-Drafts have no formal status, and are
 subject to change or removal at any time."

So don't request a change in the datatracker, request a change in RFC2026.
Something like "Replaced or expired drafts are retained as a record of
discussion and for verification of prior art claims."

  Brian




> 
>     >> Yes, but
>     >> 1) it hasn't expired.!!
>     >> 2) there is no redirect, just a 404.
>     >> 3) old documents stuck around on tools.ietf.org, so the links didn't go
>     >> stale,but the header would say that it was not the most recent draft.
>     >>
>     >> rfcdiff could never work if we removed replaced drafts.
>     >> In fact, we keep the expired ones around forever, which certainly helps us
>     >> with rfcdiff!
> 
>     > So - use /archive/id/
> 
> So, then can we please point to that URL in the DT?
> 
> --
> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
>            Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide
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