Re: [Tools-discuss] non-specific version of htmlish internet-drafts

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Sun, 06 September 2020 22:00 UTC

Return-Path: <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508AD3A121D for <tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 6 Sep 2020 15:00:51 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.899
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dtlTWMKdUHi0 for <tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 6 Sep 2020 15:00:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B40EE3A121A for <tools-discuss@ietf.org>; Sun, 6 Sep 2020 15:00:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351E1389C1; Sun, 6 Sep 2020 17:39:40 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id HwVZkyK-EJFp; Sun, 6 Sep 2020 17:39:36 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6643F389B4; Sun, 6 Sep 2020 17:39:36 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EFBDFB; Sun, 6 Sep 2020 18:00:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: Tom Pusateri <pusateri=40bangj.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, tools-discuss@ietf.org
In-Reply-To: <5569EE88-B3A9-42F3-963A-D2A0CA7EC8AB@bangj.com>
References: <5F049D8A-E720-44BF-9831-1FECA4C5CCF8@gmail.com> <5569EE88-B3A9-42F3-963A-D2A0CA7EC8AB@bangj.com>
X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1
X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m<nPbLgmtKK-5dC@#:k
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2020 18:00:44 -0400
Message-ID: <10081.1599429644@localhost>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/Q3xVqIXOaML3yArA1RezzJ1qZws>
Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] non-specific version of htmlish internet-drafts
X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion <tools-discuss.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/tools-discuss>, <mailto:tools-discuss-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/tools-discuss/>
List-Post: <mailto:tools-discuss@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tools-discuss-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss>, <mailto:tools-discuss-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2020 22:00:51 -0000

Tom Pusateri <pusateri=40bangj.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
    someone> If you make your window narrower, the TOC disappears into a
    someone> pulldown tab in the top corner.

    bob> I was aware of that.   I would still like to only have an inline TOC
    bob> and nothing on the right.

yes, but then, my *tab* is smaller, and since it's part of a group, the rest
are too, and while I can break it off, I don't really want to.
I often also rotate a small device to landscape so that I can have full
sentences and use a auto-scroll plugin.

    > I was always frustrated with the HTMLized version of drafts in the past
    > because there was so much potential to have better indexing, internal
    > and external referencing, better fonts, readability, etc.

Agreed.

    > I think the new HTML v3 stuff is a great step in the right
    > direction. It may still need some tweaks but, overall, I’m encouraged.

    > Can you guys give some specific examples of things besides the TOC that need improved?

I saw recently that hovering over a reference shows you the details.
That's very cool.
I wish I could do that with all the TLAs, both as defined in the document
itself, and in the RFC-editor list.  Even better if they could be in an
associated document.  The DRIP documents important a dozen confusing TLAs
from the aviation space... that's hard.

But, I don't want too much hovering, and I might want to turn it all off.
It is not the same on a touch screen, and it's a fail if it's a bit drizzly
if you are, reading drafts while at the bus stop.

--
Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
           Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide