Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened to chairs 10 minutes before sessions would be _really_ helpful
Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com> Wed, 29 July 2020 16:13 UTC
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From: Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 18:12:03 +0200
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened to chairs 10 minutes before sessions would be _really_ helpful
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yepp, it was generous enough, thanks On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 6:11 PM info@meetecho.com <info@meetecho.com> wrote: > Il 29/07/20 18:07, Greg Shepherd ha scritto: > > The Meetecho session for the BIER meeting closed 5mins before the hour. > > I could clearly see the Meetecho screen telling me the meeting was over. > > Correct. And it was supposed to end 20 minutes before the hour as per > the schedule, so it went 15 minutes overtime like I said ;). > > A. > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:57 AM Meetecho IETF support <ietf@meetecho.com > > <mailto:ietf@meetecho.com>> wrote: > > > > The BIER meeting has been closed 15 minutes after the scheduled end > > time. You can clearly see that from the Jabber logs: > > > > https://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/bier/2020-07-29.html > > > > See my message at 12:55:45. > > > > Alessandro > > > > Il 29/07/20 17:18, Greg Mirsky ha scritto: > > > Hi Jay, > > > it could be. I was not taking notes at the moment. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Greg > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:13 AM Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org > > <mailto:jay@ietf.org> > > > <mailto:jay@ietf.org <mailto:jay@ietf.org>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 30/07/2020, at 3:09 AM, Greg Mirsky > > <gregimirsky@gmail.com <mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com> > > >> <mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com > > <mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > >> > > >> On the first day of IETF-108 Meetcho closed the SPRING WG > > meeting > > >> on the clock. It was announced that five minutes grace > > period will > > >> be added. BIER meeting, to the best of my knowledge, was > closed > > >> not at +5 but -5 minutes. Unannounced change of policy? > > > > > > Greg - are you sure it wasn’t five minutes before the top of > the > > > hour, which is five minutes after the meeting is scheduled to > > finish? > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> Greg > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:03 AM Toerless Eckert > > <tte@cs.fau.de <mailto:tte@cs.fau.de> > > >> <mailto:tte@cs.fau.de <mailto:tte@cs.fau.de>>> wrote: > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:56:02AM -0400, Ted Lemon > wrote: > > >> > On Jul 29, 2020, at 10:48 AM, Toerless Eckert > > <tte@cs.fau.de <mailto:tte@cs.fau.de> > > >> <mailto:tte@cs.fau.de <mailto:tte@cs.fau.de>>> wrote: > > >> > > How is it possible that in a physcial meeting we are > > able > > >> to utilize all possible > > >> > > before andd after meeting times, and now going > virtual > > >> where we should have > > >> > > FEWER time constraints, we enforce MORE ? > > >> > > > >> > Poor chair discipline does sometimes result in chairs > > trying > > >> to run their meetings into the break. This is a failure > > on the > > >> part of the chairs, not a feature. > > >> > > >> Sure, but are we trying to virtualize our common > > experiences, > > >> requirements or > > >> trying to create a more strict regime ? > > >> > > >> I see far fewer reasons for strict meetecho session > limits > > >> than there are fo physical rooms. > > >> > > >> Sorry, but this makes totally no sense to me. > > >> > > >> Cheers > > >> toerless > > >> > > >> > ___________________________________________________________ > > >> Tools-discuss mailing list > > >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org <mailto:Tools-discuss@ietf.org> > > <mailto:Tools-discuss@ietf.org <mailto:Tools-discuss@ietf.org>> > > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > >> > > >> Please report datatracker.ietf.org > > <http://datatracker.ietf.org> > > >> <http://datatracker.ietf.org/> and mailarchive.ietf.org > > <http://mailarchive.ietf.org> > > >> <http://mailarchive..ietf.org/ <http://ietf.org/>> > > >> bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > > >> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > <mailto:datatracker-project@ietf.org> > > >> <mailto:datatracker-project@ietf.org > > <mailto:datatracker-project@ietf.org>> > > >> > > >> Please report tools.ietf.org <http://tools.ietf.org> > > <http://tools.ietf.org/> bugs at > > >> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > > >> or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > <mailto:webmaster@tools.ietf.org> > > >> <mailto:webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > <mailto:webmaster@tools.ietf.org>> > > >> > > >> ___________________________________________________________ > > >> Tools-discuss mailing list > > >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org <mailto:Tools-discuss@ietf.org> > > <mailto:Tools-discuss@ietf.org <mailto:Tools-discuss@ietf.org>> > > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > >> > > >> Please report datatracker.ietf.org > > <http://datatracker.ietf.org> <http://datatracker.ietf.org> > > >> and mailarchive.ietf.org <http://mailarchive.ietf.org> > > <http://mailarchive.ietf.org> > > >> bugs at http://tools..ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > > <http://ietf.org/tools/ietfdb> > > >> <http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb> > > >> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > <mailto:datatracker-project@ietf.org> > > >> <mailto:datatracker-project@ietf.org > > <mailto:datatracker-project@ietf.org>> > > >> > > >> Please report tools.ietf.org <http://tools.ietf.org> > > <http://tools.ietf.org> bugs at > > >> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > > >> or send email to webmaster@tools..ietf.org <http://ietf.org> > > >> <mailto:webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > <mailto:webmaster@tools.ietf.org>> > > > > > > -- > > > Jay Daley > > > IETF Executive Director > > > jay@ietf.org <mailto:jay@ietf.org> <mailto:jay@ietf.org > > <mailto:jay@ietf.org>> > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > Tools-discuss mailing list > > > Tools-discuss@ietf.org <mailto:Tools-discuss@ietf.org> > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org <http://datatracker.ietf.org> > > and mailarchive.ietf.org <http://mailarchive.ietf.org> > > > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > > > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > <mailto:datatracker-project@ietf.org> > > > > > > Please report tools.ietf.org <http://tools.ietf.org> bugs at > > > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > > > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > <mailto:webmaster@tools.ietf.org> > > > > > > > -- > Meetecho s.r.l. > www.meetecho.com >
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Bob Hinden
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Bob Hinden
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Greg Shepherd
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Meetecho IETF support
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Greg Shepherd
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… info@meetecho.com
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Greg Shepherd
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened t… Jay Daley