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boundary="00000000000059800c06429fe049" Message-ID-Hash: XCEMTSRKRAZTQ4OHU7DJKT7SHYSKWFRK X-Message-ID-Hash: XCEMTSRKRAZTQ4OHU7DJKT7SHYSKWFRK X-MailFrom: krose@krose.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tools-discuss.ietf.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Robert Sparks , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc6 Precedence: list Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BTools-discuss=5D_Re=3A_A_=22pronunciation=22_resource=3F?= List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000059800c06429fe049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 2, 2025 at 12:17=E2=80=AFPM John C Klensin = wrote: > Rathole warning and a slightly finer distinction: What you are > calling "Roman script version of name" has traditionally been much > closer to "what person would prefer to be called by English speakers, > using a script those speakers can understand". That is tedious, but > many speakers of languages that are written in scripts very different > from Latin, prefer to be called, in English-speaking countries (or > others) by names that are distinctly not "versions", "equivalents", > "transliterations", "interpretations", etc., of their names. They > are just alternate names those people have chosen or, in some cases, > that have been chosen for them. This is a really good point, and one that I had not considered explicitly in my rush to think about requirements of a technical nature. The interop requirement, if you will, is that it be in the Latin script; but exactly *how* it relates to a participant's given name in his or her native tongue is to be intentionally left up to that person. I.e., it is often just someone's English language nickname. Kyle --00000000000059800c06429fe049 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Nov 2, 2025 at 12:17=E2=80=AFPM John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
Rathole warning and a slightly finer distinctio= n:=C2=A0 What you are
calling "Roman script version of name" has traditionally been muc= h
closer to "what person would prefer to be called by English speakers,<= br> using a script those speakers can understand".=C2=A0 That is tedious, = but
many speakers of languages that are written in scripts very different
from Latin, prefer to be called, in English-speaking countries (or
others) by names that are distinctly not "versions", "equiva= lents",
"transliterations", "interpretations", etc., of their n= ames.=C2=A0 They
are just alternate names those people have chosen or, in some cases,
that have been chosen for them.

This is a really good point, a= nd one that I had not considered explicitly in my rush to think about requi= rements of a technical nature. The interop requirement, if you will, is tha= t it be in the Latin script; but exactly *how* it relates to a participant&= #39;s given name in his or her native tongue is to be intentionally left up= to that person.

I.e., it= is often just someone's English language nickname.

Kyle

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