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Re: [Tools-discuss] Unicode decode error for RFCs

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 05 April 2021 22:05 UTC

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To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>, tools-discuss <tools-discuss@ietf.org>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Unicode decode error for RFCs
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On 06-Apr-21 09:57, Robert Sparks wrote:
> Replying to this, even though the thread has mostly moved on, to point 
> at a detail that we need to remember.
> 
> On 4/3/21 10:41 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> Paul,
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9007 is OK. And the tools repository is going away anyway. Maybe the Twitterland needs to be told.
>>
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9007.html is even more OK. I mean, who cares about the htmlized versions of HTML RFCs?
> 
> Other systems (software, SDOs) need to be able to point at the 
> appropriate thing for both old and new RFCs. There's been a strong 
> preference in the past to point to the HTMLized versions for many reasons.
> 
> For pre-v3 era RFCs, the htmlized versions is what we have - we do not 
> have the xml2rfc v3 html output, and it is not currently on any plan to 
> try to retroactively create any such thing.
> 
> Asking software and other SDOs to learn to use two different URL 
> patterns (one before and one after the v3 switch) is not likely to be heard.

Indeed. I believe the RFC Editor would prefer us to use their landing pages like
https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc9007 or https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc1,
but I'm not sure that will catch on.

    Brian
 
> RjS
> 
> 
>> Regards
>>     Brian Carpenter
>>
>> On 04-Apr-21 14:23, Paul Hoffman wrote:
>>> See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc9007
>>>
>>> (Hat tip to https://twitter.com/elithebearded/status/1378520379229044736
>>> for pointing it out, and the @FakeUnicode Twitter user for reposting.)
>>>
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