Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix and zulip

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Tue, 06 October 2020 06:22 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix and zulip
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On 2020-10-05, at 22:13, Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> What's the blocker to offering accounts on the IETF XMPP server and hosting a web client?
> 
> This was ruled out by previous IETF leadership and has remained the policy since.  Technically and operationally it would be trivial to add.
> 
> I proposed the addition of user accounts a few months ago to the IESG and the Tools Team in order to address the feedback from the IETF 107 post-meeting survey, and the main concern expressed was that they would appear to be "official" jabber accounts and therefore representative of the IETF.  By contrast the zulip and matrix instances are specifically named as trials and therefore do not incur that risk.  

Note that many of us already have an ietf.org email address, which would seem to incur the same kind of risk.  For me that would be:

cabo=40tzi.org@dmarc.ietf.org

(except that that part of the DMARC hardening currently doesn’t quite work, but that is a different issue).

I wonder if we couldn’t do the equivalent for XMPP.

Grüße, Carsten