Re: [Tools-discuss] .txt? [I-D Action: draft-xxx.txt]

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Tue, 29 June 2021 21:41 UTC

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 23:41:06 +0200
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
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On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 08:08:48AM +0200, Julian Reschke wrote:
> Am 29.06.2021 um 01:47 schrieb Toerless Eckert:
> > ...
> > > I've had no trouble at all editing XML in v3.
> > 
> > Some tags got more convoluted. And figuring out how to put RFC references into v3 was also more convoluted han in v2.
> 
> a) Which?

I forgot the details and it would take me effort to put that together,
and right now i do not have the trust that spending that effort would
achieve anything in getting the tool improved.

So, for now i have submitted a ticket for what i consider from my own experience to
be the worst problem, and if that actually does get fixed, i will go back and look
into reporting the other issues.

https://trac.ietf.org/trac/xml2rfc/ticket/650

> b) It's just a slightly different syntax (a standard one instead of a
> what actually was a hack).


v2 was already a fairly bad markup for human editing, even if many
of us seem to suffer from Stockholm syndrom and claim to like it.

When we make v3 even harder to edit by humans because it needs to
be better for machine processing, then we should really talk about
a standard tools-team supported text-edit format like kramdown.

> > Yes. There should be more rendering hints permitted/maintained.
> 
> There've been a lot of dicussions about that, actually. There are bery
> good reasons not to have them.

Which bery ? https://youtu.be/EF4m4h15qEA?t=27

To repeat from our last thread about this: I would be a lot more
persuaded of the power of html rendering if datatracker
would allow me to select amongst different CSS to render draft/rfc
content on datatracker for me (being logged into my account).

Cheers
    Toerless

> > > (The converter insists on inserting lots of format="default"
> > > and toc="default" which are just noise and can be deleted.)
> > 
> > That too.
> 
> IMHO a bug.
> 
> > ...
> 
> Best regards, Julian
> 
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