Re: [Tools-discuss] another case of links not updating

Robert Sparks <> Wed, 06 May 2020 18:15 UTC

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On 5/6/20 12:58 PM, Paul Wouters wrote:
> On Wed, 6 May 2020, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> Thanks for the quick rpely Henrik,
>>> It's not a "timing" thing either as the -04 was submitted on April 30.
>> Right.  It's a matter of a cache invalidation trigger sometimes failing.
> Yes, I remember talking about this before. But that trigger bug only
> reflects to recent updates. All the past issues where the trigger did
> not happen would need to be found and corrected as well.
> So I thought the solution we thought of at that time was to go over the
> entire archive and fixup all the broken ones automatically. That would
> be independent of this cache bug or other future bugs ?
>> The metadata handling and cache invalidation on 
>> resides in
>> old bash scripts that have not gotten a lot of attention lately, to a
>> large extent because my time has been dedicated to datatracker and 
>> xml2rfc
>> work the last few years.  With the importance of getting the xml2rfc 
>> schema
>> v3 launced and the effort of moving other tools to the datatracker, the
>> maintenance of the site has fallen behind.
> I do understand and I do appreciate the time you spend on xml2rfc, as
> I'm a frequent user of it. But I do think this bug needs a bit more
> priority, since it has been years, and I only find out about missing
> references on my own drafts. It is really unclear how many references I
> miss on other people's drafts when I don't know they exist because the
> tracker might not show me.

Paul -

Again, just to be very clear, I think what you mean by that last 
sentence is that when you think there's a new draft, you go to and are frustrated occasionally because the redirect 
handler for the name without a draft there doesn't redirect to what 
should be the current version. That is, by 'tracker' you mean the pages 

The datatracker doesn't have this problem.


> Personally, now when I read a "latest" draft,
> I always increase the number by one to see if I'm not missing 
> something :/
>> It's work I want to do, but the hours I have are limited.  I've fixed 
>> the
>> immediate issue, and will try to find time to debug the root cause.
> Thanks. I'll ping you again when I have some more time myself in a few
> weeks to see if we can get me setup to look at the current code and/or
> dbase to see the scope of the issue and look at fixing the bug and the
> old references.
> Cheers,
> Paul
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