[Tools-discuss] Closure (was Re: Reminder (Re: [Manycouches] Proposal to discontinue live mp3 audio streams at IETF meetings))

Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> Tue, 20 October 2020 19:07 UTC

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Subject: [Tools-discuss] Closure (was Re: Reminder (Re: [Manycouches] Proposal to discontinue live mp3 audio streams at IETF meetings))
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I have not seen any further responses.

We will do the retooling needed to provide live audio streams as one 
named stream per session.


On 10/14/20 10:23 AM, Robert Sparks wrote:
> (With apologies for the intentional crosspost)
> If you have more to say, please do so by 16 Oct.
> My read of the feedback so far is that the evidence we had for low 
> usage was probably misleading, and there is still a demand for a live 
> audio stream if it were presented in a more useful form. I anticipate 
> we will do the retooling to provide these as one named stream per 
> session going forward. If anyone thinks that is not what we should be 
> doing, please say so.
> RjS
>> We propose to discontinue producing live mp3 audio streams for IETF 
>> meetings,
>> starting with IETF 109 and we want to hear from the community before 
>> we do.
>> At many past meetings we have produced live mp3 streams for each 
>> session. These
>> steams have been associated with physical meeting rooms, and appeared 
>> before
>> and during the session as a link on the agenda page to a URL like
>> 'http://mp3.conf.meetecho.com/ietf/ietf<some_number_associated_with_the_room>.m3u'. 
>> For the last several meetings, these have only been available as a 
>> live stream.
>> Recordings of that stream have not been made available after the 
>> meeting. The
>> full video recording provided by Meetecho has served as the way to 
>> listen to
>> (or watch) any given session after the fact.
>> Further, for the last several meetings, the live streams have seen 
>> very light
>> use, on the order of 10 uses for IETF 108.
>> Now that we are holding more meetings online, we have a requirement 
>> to allow
>> meetings to run outside their scheduled times. Allowing the live 
>> streams to run
>> outside their scheduled times will require changing how they are 
>> represented,
>> to no longer be associated with "rooms" or "tracks". The code 
>> refactor at both
>> the datatracker and at meetecho to support would not be a huge 
>> effort, but it
>> also would not be tiny. Instead, we feel that removing this complexity,
>> recognizing that the regular meetecho connection and recordings 
>> satisfy the
>> need, is the better use of our resources. That holds true even for 
>> future
>> in-person meetings.
>> There are several points that have been considered while arriving at 
>> this
>> proposal:
>> * Chairs use the recordings to fill in minutes.
>>     For the last several meetings, the chairs have been using the 
>> Meetecho
>>     recordings for this purpose. Recordings of the live mp3 streams 
>> haven't
>>     been available.
>> * Some participants (especially ADs) want to listen to more than one 
>> meeting at
>>   a time.
>>     Meetecho allows joining multiple sessions.
>> * Some participants may not have the bandwidth or a new enough 
>> computer to run
>>   meetecho.
>>     The use of the mp3 streams has been very low at the last several 
>> meetings.
>>     This population isn't using the mp3 streams to address the posited
>>     limitations.  If this is a     concern that some people think 
>> they will
>>     experience then we can look at asking Meetecho to allow sending only
>>     audio (muting all video).
>> * This removes a mechanism that allowed people to listen to a session in
>>   real-time without paying a registration fee.
>>    There will be ongoing discussion and tuning of the meeting 
>> registration
>>    structure. In the meantime, the fee waiver program is available 
>> and being
>>    improved.
>> Please send comments by 16 Oct 2020 either to tools-discuss@ietf.org or
>> directly to rjsparks@nostrum.com.
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