Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.org

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Fri, 11 September 2020 16:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.org
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Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
    >> Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
    >> > Active IDs are added to the repository and the archive at the same time.
    >>
    >> > When a draft is expired, revised, or replaced, it is removed from the
    >> > repository of active IDs.
    >>
    >> The surprise is perhaps that a non-expired, but replaced-draft is
    >removed.

    > Can you expand? Why is that surprising? The replaced draft is no longer
    > active.

It's a behaviour change.

Yes, but
  1) it hasn't expired.!!
  2) there is no redirect, just a 404.
  3) old documents stuck around on tools.ietf.org, so the links didn't go
     stale,but the header would say that it was not the most recent draft.

rfcdiff could never work if we removed replaced drafts.
In fact, we keep the expired ones around forever, which certainly helps us
with rfcdiff!

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