Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.org

Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> Fri, 11 September 2020 17:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.org
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On 9/11/20 12:25 PM, Bob Hinden wrote:
> I wanted to point out that when 6MAN did the update to the IPv6 spec that became RFC8200, each new draft incorporated one specific updating RFC.    This made it easy to see what the changes were.   Having each draft available was very helpful to see the changes and see what the diffs were from the previous draft.  In this case, a new draft was not replacing the previous draft.  This work was done in 2015-2017.
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> I hope this is still possible.
Yes. There hasn't actually been a change.
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> Bob
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>> On Sep 11, 2020, at 9:29 AM, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
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>> Signed PGP part
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>> Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
>>>> Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
>>>>> Active IDs are added to the repository and the archive at the same time.
>>>>> When a draft is expired, revised, or replaced, it is removed from the
>>>>> repository of active IDs.
>>>> The surprise is perhaps that a non-expired, but replaced-draft is
>>> removed.
>>> Can you expand? Why is that surprising? The replaced draft is no longer
>>> active.
>> It's a behaviour change.
>>
>> Yes, but
>>   1) it hasn't expired.!!
>>   2) there is no redirect, just a 404.
>>   3) old documents stuck around on tools.ietf.org, so the links didn't go
>>      stale,but the header would say that it was not the most recent draft.
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>> rfcdiff could never work if we removed replaced drafts.
>> In fact, we keep the expired ones around forever, which certainly helps us
>> with rfcdiff!
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>> --
>> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
>>            Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide
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