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Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com> Thu, 04 February 2021 21:02 UTC

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From: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>, "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com>
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Supporting Markdown as an input option is a good idea - but why would you support a non-standard version of it?   CommonMark (https://commonmark.org/) is the relevant "specification" for markdown.  Kramdown, on the other hand, is a specific tool that promotes its own flavor...

Leonard

On 2/4/21, 10:44 AM, "rfc-interest on behalf of Carsten Bormann" <rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org on behalf of cabo@tzi.org> wrote:

    > 
    > 1. "Official support" for the Kramdown toolset rather than just appearing on the experimental tools page.
    > 
    > 2. For idnits to support Kramdown source, so you don't have to do a conversion in order to perform idnits checking. I know that I could script this, and perhaps will when I start my next draft ... :-), but native support would be better.
    > 
    > 3. Being able to use Kramdown as a draft submission format, rather than converting to XML and/or plaintext for submission.
    > 
    > I'd be happy with 1, but even happier with 2 and/or 3 as well.

    I’m a bit ambiguous about “official support”.  
    This is a bit like the transition from an individual draft to a working group draft…

    Today, at 10:24 CET, Martin Thomson filed an issue, and he provided a fix at 10:27.
    At 11:04, version 1.3.26 with that fix was pushed to rubygems.org so people can `gem update` to that.
    I’d like to keep the kramdown-rfc process lightweight enough so we can have these turnaround times.

    But sure, making the tool available on the tools/datatracker web presences and via the submission tool would be helpful.

    I’m not so sure about (2).  This would require idnits to do some second-guessing of what kramdown—rfc does, and would make it harder to evolve kramdown-rfc.  Why not run the authoring tool and then idnits?  Right now, there isn’t even a way to run idnits on the XML, maybe we could address that first. 
    Maybe I should put a simple CLI option for running idnits into the `kdrfc` tool...
    Now https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabo%2Fkramdown-rfc2629%2Fissues%2F96&amp;data=04%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7C4293cd49aa87480921fb08d8c923b894%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637480502571422936%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=ZHizYml%2FsK%2FQIkc%2B0usb77P0pjnwrkBMqVKGXU%2BwweU%3D&amp;reserved=0

    Grüße, Carsten

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