Re: [Tools-discuss] Early preview of upcoming changes to the agenda pages
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Tue, 21 June 2022 18:03 UTC
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--On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 18:53 +0100 Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org> wrote: > > >> On 21 Jun 2022, at 17:08, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> >> wrote: >> >> à´à¨ã¸ã¸âà´à¨ã¸ã¸ââ´â´ä¼æ¸âåæ çççææç¤â°âä¨çæ¸æâããâ°âããããâããã¨ããââ¬ããããâä¨æç¤âäææ°æç¤à´à¨ã¸ã¸âã°æç ææâ´ææ¤çææçæ¼çäæ¤æçæâ¸æ¼çæã¸âççæ¼çæã¨à´à¨ã¸ã¸âà´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸âà´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸âà´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âä¼æ¸âããâä¨çæ¸âããããâ°âæçâããã¨ãã â°âåæçæ¼âä¬æ¤çæ¤æ¸ææ¸âã°æ¬æ¤çæ¤æ¸ ææ¸äæ¤æ¬æ¤â¸ææ¤ã¸à´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âççæ¼çæã¨à´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âà´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âä¨æç¤âäææ°æç¤âççæ¤çæçã¨à´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âå¬ä¼æ¸æâçæ æ¤æ¸æâçæ¼âææ¼æ¸çæ¤ææçâææ¼çâæ°æçæçâ°âæ¤çâçæ æçâæçæâçæ æâççæâææçæçà´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âææ¼çâææ¤æ°çæçæ¤æ¸æâ¼çæ¤ææ¬æ¤æ¸æã¼ââä¤æâçæ æâæ¼çæççæ ææ°æ´æ¤æ¸æâççæâææçæâææ¼çà´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âçæ æ¤çâæ¤çâçæ¼âæçææçæâæâçæççæ¼æ¸ææ°æ¤çææâæææ°ææ¸ææçâçæ ææ¸âçæâææ¼çæ°æà´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âçæçæ æççâçæçæ çæçæâçæ¼æ´æâæ¼æâçæ æâææçæ¤æ¼æ¸âæ¤æ¸âçæçæ´çâæ¼æâçæ æçââ´à´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âäæ æ¼æ¼çæâæ´ç¤âçææ æ æçæ°æâ°âäæ¼çæ¸æ°æ¼ææâæ´ç¤âçææ ææçæ°æâ°âæçæâ¸ââä¸æ¼âæ¸æææâçæ¼à´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âææ¼âçæ æçâæ¸æ¼çâçæ æ¼çææ å´â¸âà´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âà´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âä¤âçæ æ¤æ¸æ¬âçæ æâçæ¼æ¼æ°çâ¸æ¤æçæâ¸æ¼çæâææææ¸ææâçæ¼æ¼æ°âææ¼æ°æ¼çæ¤æ¸æâçæçâæ´çææ à´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âææççæçâçæç¤âæ¼æâæ´ææ¬ æ¤æ¸æâçæççæ¼æ¸ææ°æ¤ç¨ææâææææ¸ææâ¸âä¤âææ°çæç¤çâçææ¸çà´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âçæ çæ¼çææ âçæ æâææææ¸ææâ°âçæ¤ææ¬æ¤æ¸æâçæ æâæ¤æ´çæ¼ççææ¸çâçæ æ¤æ¸æçâçæ¤çæ âæ¼æ¸æà´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âææ¼æ°æ¼çâ°âææ¸æ¼çæ æçâææ¼æ°æ¼çâææ¼çâçæ æ¼çæâçæççæ¤æ¼æ¸âçæ æ¤ææ âæ´æ¤ææ çâææà´à¨ã¸ã¸ã ¸ã¸âæ¤æ¸çæçæççæ¤æ¸æâææ¸æâçæ¼âæ¼æ¸â¸âåæ ææ¸âçæ ææ¸âä¤âææ æææ¬ææâçæ æâææææ¸ææâ°âæ¤æà´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âçæ æçæâçæçâææ¸ç¤çæ æ¤æ¸æâçæ¤çæ âæ¤æ´çæ¼ççææ¸çâææ¼æ°æ¼çâ°âçæ ææ¸âä¤âçææ¸çâçæ æçæâ°à´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âæ¤æâæ¸æ¼çâä¤âçæ¤ææ¬ææâæ¼æ¸æâæ¼æâçæ æâæ¤æ¸çæçæç çæ¤æ¸æâæ¼æ¸æçâ¸âä¤æâçæ æçæâçæçâæ¸æ¼à´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âææ¼æ°æ¼çâ°âçæ ææ¸âä¤âçææ¸çâçæ¼âçæææâæ´ç¤âææ´ææ¤æ°çâã¨â´â¤à´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âà´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âä¤âææ°çæ¼âççææâæ¼æ¸æâææ¼æ°æ¼çâçæ¼âæ¤æ¸ææ¤ææçæâçæ æ¤ææ âæ´ææçæ¤æ¸æçâä¤âææççææ°æ°ç¤à´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âææ¸æææâççâ°âçæ æç âæ´æææâæ¤çâææ¤çâææçæ¤æçâçæ¼âççæ¤çæâçæçæ¼çççâæ°æçæçâ°à´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âçæ ææ¸âç¤æ¼çâæææ¸âçææâçæ æçæâç¤æ¼çâææ¸æææâççâææ¸æâççç¤âçæ¼âçææ´ææ´ææçà´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸ã¸âçæ æçæ æçâçæ æçæâçæçâææ¸ç¤çæ æ¤æ¸æâççææçæ°âçæ æçæâæ¼çâæ¸æ¼çâ¸à´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸âà´à ¨ã¸ã¸ã¸âåæ æçâçâæâæçææçâççæâææçæââ´âçæ ææ¸æ¬âç¤æ¼çâ¸ââä¤âçæ æ¤æ¸æ¬âæâæ´æ¼ææçæ¸à´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸âçææ¤æ´çæ°ææ´ææ¸çæçæ¤æ¼æ¸âçæ¼çæ°æâççæâçææ°ææçæææ°æâççæçççæçâææææ âæ¼æâçæ æ¤ææ à´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸âææ¼çæ°æâæ æçæâæâææ¼æ°æ¼ççâæ¼çâææ¸âæ¤ææ¼æ¸âæççæ¤æ æ¸ææâ°âæççâæ´çææ âçæ æâçææ´æà´à¨ã¸ã¸ã¸âæçæ¸æçæ¤æ¼æ¸ææ°æ¤çç¤â¸ââà´à¨ã¸ã¸âà´à¨ã¸ã¸âä¨æç¤â°à´à¨ã¸ã¸âà´à¨ã¸ã¸âåæ æçæâæ¤çâææ¸âæ¤æ´çæ¼ççææ¸çâæ æ¤æ¸çâæ¤æ¸âåæçæ¼âçâææçæçæ¤ççæ¤æ¼æ¸âæ¼æâæ æ¤çâççæà´à¨ã¸ã¸âææçæââ çæçæ æççâæ¼æææ°ç¤â°âä¤âçæâççææâææ¼æ°æ¼ ççâæ¤æ¸âææ°æ´æ¼ççâæç ææçæ°ç¤âçæ æà´à¨ã¸ã¸âçææ´æâçæç¤â¤âææ¸æâä¤âææ¼æ¸âçâæ¬æ¸æ¼çâæ æ¼çâæ¤çâçæ¼çæ°æâæ¤æ¸çæçææçâçæ¤çæ à´à¨ã¸ã¸âçææ°ææçæææ°æâççæçççæçâ¸âä æââ ææ¸æâä¤â¤âææ¼ææâæ´ææçæ¤æ¸æçâçæ¤çæ âçæ¼æ´æçæ æ¤æ¸æà´à¨ã¸ã¸âæ°æ¤æ¬æââæ¤æ´çæ¼ççææ¸æ æâçæ¼âæççææ¸æââææ¸æâçæ ææ¸âæææ¨çççâçæ æâææ¼æ°æ¼ççà´à¨ã¸ã¸âææçææ¸ææ¤æ¸æâæ¼æ¸âçæ æçâçæçâææççææ°æ°ç¤âæççææ¸æææâ¸ââåæ¼æ´ææ¼æ¸æâææ°çæâæ´æ¤ææ çà´à¨ã¸ã¸âçææ¸çâçæ¼âææ¼ææâçæ ææ´âæç¤âçæ æçæ æçâçæ æç¤âçæçæâççæçææ¸çæ¤æ¸æâæ¼çâæ¸æ¼çâ° âæç¤à´à¨ã¸ã¸âçæ æçæ æçâæ¼çâæ¸æ¼çâççæææ¤ææ°âççæçæçæçæ¤æ¼æ¸çâçæçæâæ¸æææææâææ¸æâæ æ¼çâææ°æ¼çæà´à¨ã¸ã¸âçæ æç¤âçæçæâçæ¼âææ¼æ´çæ°æçæâ°âæç¤âæ æ¼çâææ¼æ¸ççæ¼çæççæ¤ææ°âçæ æâçæççæ¤æ¼æ¸âçæçà´à¨ã¸ã¸âææ¼æ¤æ¸æâçæ¼âææâææ¸æâçæ æçæ æçâæ´ææçç çæçâçæ¼âçææçææâçæ æâæ°æçææ°âæ¼æà´à¨ã¸ã¸âçççæççâæ´æ¤ææ çâææâæ¸æææææâ°âæ¼çâææ¸ç¤âæ¼æâæâçæçæ¤æçâæ¼æâæ¼çæ æçâçæ æ¤æ¸æçâ¸à´à¨ã¸ã¸âä¤æâçæ æ¼çæâçææ°ææçæææ°æâççæçççæçâçæçæâççææççæ¤ææ¸ææâæ¸ææ´æçâ°âçæ æç¤à´à¨ã¸ã¸âæ´æ¤ææ çâææâæ ´æ¼çæâææ¼æ¸æççæ¤æ¸æâçæ ææ¸âæ ææ°çæçæ°â¸âä¤æâçæ æç¤âçæçæâæ¸æ¼çâ°âæ¼çà´à¨ã¸ã¸âçæ æâæ¸ææ´æçâçæçæâæ¤ææ¸æ¼çææâ°âçæâçæ¼çæ°æâææâæ´æ¼çæâæ¼çâæ°æççâææææ¬âçæ¼à´à¨ã¸ã¸âçæ¤ææ¬æ¤æ¸æâææ¼æ°æ¼ççâçæçæ æçâçæ ææ¸âççæçççâææçæææ¼çæ¤æçâ¸à´à¨ã¸ã¸âà´à¨ ã¸ã¸âåæçæ æççâä¤âææ¼æ¸âçâççæ¼çæçæ°ç¤âçæ¸ææçççææ¸æâçæ æçæââæ´æ¼ææçæ¸ââææ¼æ´æçâæ¤æ¸à´à¨ã¸ã¸âæççâ°âæ¤æâçæ æçæâæ¤çâæâææ æ¼æ¤ææâææççæææ¸âæ¤çâææ¸æâæçæ¸æçæ¤æ¼æ¸ææ°æ¤çç¤â°à´à¨ã¸ã¸âææ°æç æ¤ææ¤æ°æ¤çç¤â°âææ¸æâææææ¤ææ¤ææ¸æç¤âææ¼çâä¤äåäâçæç çæ¤ææ¤çææ¸ççâççæ¤æ¸æà´à¨ã¸ã¸âçæ æ¤æ¸æçâæ°æ¤æ¬æâææææ¸ææâçæææçâ°âä¤âçæ æ¤æ¸æ¬âçæâçæ æ¼çæ°æâææ æ¼æ¼çæâçæ æâæ°æççæçà´à¨ã¸ã¸âææ°æ´æ¼ççâæçæçç¤âçæ¤æ´æâ¸à´à¨ã¸âà´à¨ã¸âå¤æçâä¤âçæ¸ææçççæ¼æ¼æâçæ æçâææ¤æææçææ¸çâçææ¼çæ°æâçæ¼çæ°æâççæâçæ æâææ ¼æ°æ¼çççà´à¨ã¸âæ¤æ¸âææ¤æææçææ¸çâçæç¤çâææ¸æâçæ æçâçæ æçæææ¼çæâæâææ¤ç ææâæ°æ¤ççâæ¼æâççæçæçà´à¨ã¸âçæ¤çæ âæ¸æ¼çâææâççææçæ°âçæ¼âæ´æ¼ççâ¸âà´à¨à´à¨åæ ææ¸âçæâæçæâççæ¼ææææ°ç¤âæ¤æ¸âææçæææ´ææ¸çâææ¸æâä¤âçæçâæ¨çççâææ¼æ¸æççææâæææ¼ç çâçæçæ´æ¤æ¸æ¼æ°æ¼æç¤â¸ââåæ ææ¸æ¬çâææ¼çâçæ æâææ°æçæ¤ææ¤ææçæ¤æ¼æ¸â¸à´à¨à´à¨âââæ¨æ¼æ æ¸à´à¨
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