Re: [Tools-discuss] Chinese name order versus surname and initial attributes in <author>

Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> Tue, 27 July 2021 08:18 UTC

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On 2021-7-27, at 4:11, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
> RFCs make that much harder than it needs to be by employing initials, which are a computation on personal names that only makes sense if you don’t care about most of the people in the world.

A personal +1 t that.

The only use case for initials are in references in academic publishing, when you hit the page limit for a submission and need to fight for every mm of vertical space:-)

Thanks,
Lars