Re: [Tools-discuss] The Document Citation Tool is (somewhat) broken

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 28 June 2021 21:55 UTC

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To: Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen=40me.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] The Document Citation Tool is (somewhat) broken
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Note that https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8990 offers "Cite this RFC: TXT  |  XML".

For LaTeX lovers, there are also .bib options around.

Regards
   Brian Carpenter

On 29-Jun-21 08:05, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
> Hi Jay,
> 
> I only use the two output options:
> 
> {authors.andlist}, "{doctitle}," {date:%B %Y}, {docname}.
> 
> and
> 
> {authors.rfclist}, "{doctitle}," {docname}, {date:%B %Y}.
> 
> ... although I usually set both the the first option {authors.andlist}
> and would be more than happy if that was the only option.
> 
> Thanks for looking into this!
> 
> And: In the interim, perhaps something changed "behind the scenes" that 
causes this
> problem that could be fixed?
> 
> Ole
> 
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2021, at 13:00, Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org> wrote:
>>
>> (moving discussion to tools-discuss)
>>
>> Ole
>>
>>> On 29/06/2021, at 6:36 AM, Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen=40me.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Several years ago, Henrik set up this wonderful tool that creates citations for
>>> IETF documents (IDs and RFCs) in a standard format. The tool is customizable
>>> and lives here:
>>>
>>> https://tools.ietf.org/tools/citation/
>>>
>>> Enter, for example, "7575" in the box and you get:
>>>
>>> Clemm, A., Behringer, M., Jiang, S., Pritikin, M., Ciavaglia, L., Bjarnason, S., and B. Carpenter,
>>> "Autonomic Networking: Definitions and Design Goals," RFC 7575, June 2015.
>>>
>>> It's something I use often to get a consistent list of references in
>>> articles.
>>>
>>> But, sadly, something is currently broken with this tool, or I suspect something has
>>> changed in the back-end (datatracker or tools?) whereby recent RFCs are not recognized,
>>> for example: RFC 8890 gives me: "Could not find author data for document 'rfc8990'"
>>>
>>> And worse: RFC 8995 returns: "An error occurred at this point in the web-page generation.
>>> An error report has been sent to the webmaster. If this error isn't fixed within 48 hours,
>>> please contact the web page author directly at webmaster@tools.ietf.org."
>>>
>>> I know Henrik is probably no longer maintaining this tool so I am not 
blaming him
>>> or expecting him to fix it, but perhaps someone from the tools/datatracker group could
>>> take a look at this? It really is a VERY nice tool and I would hate to see it disabled
>>> forever.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> An RFP was recently awarded [1] for a replacement for the citation library generation and access (API and web page) tool. Unfortunately, when writing that RFP I didn’t know about this specific tool and so it is not listed as a deliverable.  However, it should be relatively straightforward to add simple output of this format, though a fully programmable 
output format is more complex and I’m not sure it is necessary.  Do you use that programmable output functionality?
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-announce/XPvRg0vSCWUBaSxtX1jSVtsNb3I/
>>
>>>
>>> Ole
>>>
>>>
>>> Ole J. Jacobsen
>>> Editor and Publisher
>>> The Internet Protocol Journal
>>> Office: +1 415-550-9433
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>>> Web: protocoljournal.org
>>> E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com
>>> E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org
>>> Skype: organdemo
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Jay Daley
>> IETF Executive Director
>> jay@ietf.org
>>
> 
> Ole J. Jacobsen
> Editor and Publisher
> The Internet Protocol Journal
> Office: +1 415-550-9433
> Cell:   +1 415-370-4628
> Web: protocoljournal.org
> E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com
> E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org
> Skype: organdemo
> 
> 
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