Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Fwd: Next steps: chat service trials

[Robert Sparks <[e-mail]>]

On 12/15/20 9:00 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>
>
> Le 14/12/2020 à 20:38, Robert Sparks a écrit :
>> Hi Alex -
>>
>> On 12/12/20 9:30 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 11/12/2020 à 20:17, Robert Sparks a écrit :
>>>> Hopefully everyone on both the chairs and manycouches list follows 
>>>> ietf-announce, but in case not:
>>>>
>>>> (Discussion should take place on [e-mail])
>> Please honor the Reply-To header on these messages (also set on this 
>> one) and keep this conversation on [e-mail]
>>>
>>> I think one can stay home only if s/he had the right tools to meet 
>>> online.
>>>
>>>> We are not aware of anyone trying to use the zulip or matrix 
>>>> servers for ietf work outside the main meeting.
>>>
>>> I can try them.  But what is the zulip or matrix URL that I can 
>>> click on?
>>
>> For convenience:
>>
>> https://zulip-trial1.ietf.org, https://matrix-trial1.ietf.org and 
>> https://xmpp-trial1.ietf.org
>
> I try to connect to the zulip URL but it does not accept my existing 
> IETF datatracker|mailarchive password.  However, it offers a 
> possibility to create a new account ("S'inscrire"). Should I create a 
> new account for zulip?
Yes. None of the trial services currently attempt to reuse the 
datatracker credentials.
>
> (fyi, when I connect to meetecho I use my existing IETF
>  datatracker|mailarchive password)
>
> Alex
>
>>
>> Those are detailed more thoroughly in the announcements you can 
>> re-read at
>>
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf-announce/?q="trial chat"
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> If you've used the services, please take a few minutes to provide 
>>>> feedback at [e-mail].
>>>
>>> This is a good point.  I wonder whether there can be an automated
>>> forwarding between lists that have a certain common interest? E.g. when
>>> I post here with 'tools' in the Subject line it also gets there, and
>>> vice-versa with 'couches'.
>> The zulip instance ingests a few mailing lists, but that bridge is 
>> not bi-directional. There are different modes of conversation with 
>> email and chat - the email reflection of chat would look similar to 
>> an email reflection of a jabber room - not a very pleasant way to 
>> consume or participate in the chat.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>>
>>>> RjS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject:     Next steps: chat 
>>>> service trials Date:     Fri, 11 Dec 2020 13:00:58 -0600 From: 
>>>> Robert Sparks <[e-mail]> Reply-To:     tools-discuss 
>>>> <[e-mail]> To:     [e-mail]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have been running trial zulip, matrix, and xmpp services since 
>>>> October. See 
>>>> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf-announce/?q=%22trial%20chat%22> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> As noted in those announcements, the issue that we are trying to
>>>> address is the difficulty people have been reporting obtaining
>>>> jabber services and clients. We are hopeful that these trials will
>>>> help the community develop a better sense of whether to focus on
>>>> improving the experiences with xmpp or to pursue other chat
>>>> solutions. We are also open to the possibility that these other
>>>> solutions may be worth operating in addition to improving the
>>>> experiences from xmpp.
>>>>
>>>> However, usage and feedback so far has not been sufficient to 
>>>> inform what services we should run in the future.
>>>>
>>>> We had around 50 local jabber accounts created on 
>>>> xmpp-trial1.ietf.org, and around 40 accounts were created on each 
>>>> of the matrix and zulip services. Few rooms have been created on 
>>>> the matrix service other than those bridging to xmpp. Few streams 
>>>> were created on the zulip service other than those bridging to xmpp 
>>>> and those ingesting a few mailing lists.
>>>>
>>>> We are not aware of anyone trying to use the zulip or matrix 
>>>> servers for ietf work outside the main meeting.
>>>>
>>>> If you've used the services, please take a few minutes to provide 
>>>> feedback at [e-mail].
>>>>
>>>> Is providing local jabber accounts and a web interface to jabber 
>>>> sufficient? Are there features that matrix or zulip provide that 
>>>> are truly helpful for progressing IETF work? If so, please describe 
>>>> how they are helping.
>>>>
>>>> To collect more feedback, we are planning to extend the trials 
>>>> through IETF 110. Please take advantage of these services between
>>>> now and then (at interim meetings for example) and let us know what
>>>> you find to be effective.
>>>>
>>>> If you are interested in using these services more directly for 
>>>> your group's day-to-day communication, and are willing to test one 
>>>> or both
>>>> of these services on a primary basis for a while, please coordinate
>>>> with the appropriate leadership and let the tools team know so we can
>>>> help accommodate.  Please consider using these services for ad-hoc,
>>>> design-team meetings, and even interims (again, coordinating with the
>>>> appropriate leadership).
>>>>
>>>> If you have had issues using Jabber in the past, please take some 
>>>> time now to work with these new services and describe whether they 
>>>> improve your experience.
>>>>
>>>> We need more feedback about these services to develop a sense of
>>>> what will best meet the community's needs going forward. Please
>>>> engage in exploring and discussing them at [e-mail].
>>>>
>>>> While exploring, feel free to use the trial1-feedback room on 
>>>> Matrix and the trial1-feedback stream on Zulip.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again to the volunteers that have been helping configure
>>>> these services and keep them going.
>>>>
>>>> Robert Sparks, Tools Team Chair
>>>>
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