Re: [Tools-discuss] Clarifying the state of and the transition plan for tools.ietf.org

Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> Thu, 11 March 2021 14:10 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Clarifying the state of and the transition plan for tools.ietf.org
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On 3/11/21 8:08 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
> Robert,
>
> Are you also porting the tools at 
> https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html 
> <https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html> , especially the 
> online version of KramDown?
Yes, the planned replacement online xml2rfc service will have all of 
those conversions available.
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 1:16 PM Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com 
> <mailto:rjsparks@nostrum.com>> wrote:
>
>     The services at tools.ietf.org <http://tools.ietf.org> are
>     undergoing a transition.
>
>     As most of you know Henrik Levkowetz has retired. He is continuing to
>     support
>     the services that he has provided for decades at tools.ietf.org
>     <http://tools.ietf.org> on a best
>     effort basis as we transition the essential features to LLC supported
>     platforms. The plan is to finish the transition before IETF 111
>     and wind
>     tools.ietf.org <http://tools.ietf.org> down.
>
>     The process of moving these features has been ongoing for several
>     years.
>     Most have already been moved, but a few important ones remain.
>
>     We have recently moved the tools.ietf.org <http://tools.ietf.org>
>     style of presenting htmlized text
>     documents into the Datatracker. The plan is to redirect those
>     pages from
>     tools.ietf.org <http://tools.ietf.org> into the Datatracker soon.
>
>     We will be replacing the online xml2rfc and bibxml services with
>     modern
>     rewrites of the existing services.
>
>     We are transitioning the svn/trac source repositories for the
>     Datatracker
>     and xml2rfc to the IETF Secretariat, with a longer term goal of
>     moving them
>     to GitHub.
>
>     At the beginning of this meeting, we identified that the ability
>     to add to
>     individual sessions (as opposed to all sessions of a group) to a
>     subscribable
>     calendar needs to be added to the Datatracker.
>
>     We will look again to identify any other features that need to be
>     moved.
>     But as
>     you notice features at tools.ietf.org <http://tools.ietf.org> that
>     are important but can't find
>     at the
>     Datatracker, please send a note either to me or to
>     tools-discuss@ietf.org <mailto:tools-discuss@ietf.org>.
>
>     Henrik and I communicate frequently, and he is supporting us with this
>     transition on a best effort basis, but tools.ietf.org
>     <http://tools.ietf.org> is not getting as
>     much of
>     his time as we have become accustomed to in the past. Please be
>     patient
>     with us
>     during the next few months.
>
>     As you identify issues with tools.ietf.org
>     <http://tools.ietf.org>, please email Henrik or let
>     me know,
>     and I will bring them to Henrik's attention.  In general, neither
>     the IETF
>     Secretariat nor the tools team can address issues at
>     tools.ietf.org <http://tools.ietf.org>
>     directly.
>     Our focus will be on moving functionality to platforms like the
>     Datatracker.
>
>     I would like to express my gratitude for all of the support Henrik
>     has
>     provided
>     to the community over the last couple of decades. Early on, long
>     before we
>     started projects like the Datatracker, he set up several tools on his
>     own that
>     became very popular with the community. During this time, the domain
>     tools.ietf.org <http://tools.ietf.org>
>     was delegated to him, and he used it to gather the volunteer created
>     tooling from
>     many contributors.
>
>     As the community grew, we began hosting more services at the IETF
>     Secretariat.
>     During Russ Housley's tenure as IETF Chair, the tools team, under
>     the IOAC's
>     direction, began moving essential services to IETF
>     Secretariat-supported
>     platforms. Through donated and contracted time, Henrik has been
>     helping make
>     these transitions as an ongoing process. But tools.ietf.org
>     <http://tools.ietf.org> continued to
>     be a
>     set of services that he maintained and improved primarily by
>     himself or
>     through
>     coordinating other volunteer effort.
>
>     Of course, Henrik was also a principal architect and contributor
>     for the
>     Datatracker and xml2rfc, and we are richer for all of his hard
>     work over
>     decades on so many tools.
>
>     --
>
>     Robert Sparks
>
>     Tools Team chair
>