[Tools-discuss] Re: Automated mail on call for adoption and working group last call

Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> Mon, 25 August 2025 13:38 UTC

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On 8/25/25 8:13 AM, Rifaat Shekh-Yusef wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> This is great!
>
> Sometimes, we need to issue a *second* WGLC. Is there a way to do that?
datatracker will currently issue these mail messages _every time_ a 
document enters the working group state `wg-lc` from some other state. 
You can cause it to issue a second message by transitioning to some 
other state and back to this one.
>
> Regards,
>  Rifaat
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2025 at 6:23 PM Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> 
> wrote:
>
>     Chairs -
>
>     The IESG asked that the datatracker send email automatically when a
>     group puts a document into the WG state of "call for adoption
>     issued" or
>     "working group last call issued". That change was part of yesterday's
>     datatracker deployment. It surprised at least one chair, for which I
>     apologize.
>
>     To see the details, look at
>
>     https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/9142 (the request
>     from
>     the IESG)
>
>     and
>
>     https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/pull/9322 (the PR from a
>     volunteer that added the functionality).
>
>     If you have use cases like the one Bob Hinden ran afoul of (going and
>     adding the state to the datatracker long after the actual call had
>     been
>     issued) for which the current implementation will cause you trouble,
>     please open an issue or send mail to tools-discuss. I'll make sure
>     the
>     IESG follows the discussion.
>
>     RjS
>
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