Re: [Tools-discuss] [Gendispatch] Updating the IETF Discussion List Charter (was: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-eggert-bcp45bis-02.txt)

John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Tue, 13 July 2021 21:52 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Gendispatch] Updating the IETF Discussion List Charter (was: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-eggert-bcp45bis-02.txt)
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> The Achilles heel of SMTP is that it is a push mode system. NNTP was better
> because messages were pulled. An NNTP based discussion scheme would be a
> much more effective way to manage 'mailing list' traffic because it is a
> pull mode scheme.

That's why I have an IMAP->NNTP gateway and read all the lists from my 
news server.  The threading and killfiles are nice, too.  But as you know, 
I am strange.

> Sign the logs as a Merkle Tree and we have authenticated events and can do
> more interesting stuff.

Unfortunately, decades of experience tell us that the reason we all still 
use e-mail is that it *is* a push system, the stuff shows up 
automatically, and we all still check our e-mail.  If we have to check 
some whizzo other thing, we won't, and it will fail.  The news hack works 
for me because I put every mailing list I read from everywhere into it, so 
it's only one place to look.

R's,
John

>> GNU Mailman has a little-used "topics" feature that I think can do the trick here.