Re: [Tools-discuss] Updated survey (was: Proposed survey on I-D authoring tools)

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Mon, 05 October 2020 11:24 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Updated survey (was: Proposed survey on I-D authoring tools)
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Am 01.10.2020 um 19:09 schrieb Jay Daley:
> The updated survey is below.  Please note that
>
> - this doesn’t show the links
> - I am still not sure how to point people to their Datatracker stats page
> - the flow logic may change when the survey is tested.
>
> Further feedback is most welcome.
>
> Jay
> ...

Sorry for late feedback :-)

This is good, thanks!

The one missing thing I currently can think of is an option to provide
information about other tools in use to either *generate* source, or to
validate it.

For instance:

- automatic *extraction* of sourcecode (such as ABNF) with the goal of
validation (and maybe re-inserting into an appendix)
- automatic *insertion* of source code
- automatic generation of document parts (such as reference tables)
- preprocessors that extend the XML vocabulary and generate "plain" xml2rfc
- use of SVG tools (or reasons why they are not used)
- tools that read a textual description and generate artwork from it
(like sequence diagrams)
- tools that check references (such as to RFCs and IDs, and to catch
dangling "deep" links, such as when a section number in the referenced
document changed)

Best regards, Julian