Re: [Tools-discuss] datatracker, I-Ds, and email addresses
Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org> Wed, 31 May 2023 09:49 UTC
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From: Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org>
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Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 10:48:35 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] datatracker, I-Ds, and email addresses
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> On 30 May 2023, at 22:42, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 30-May-23 21:35, Jay Daley wrote: >> John >> Are you suggesting that when an I-D is submitted, the email addresses of the authors are automagically added to their Datatracker profiles, even if they themselves omitted to do that? > > Looking at my own profile, my primary address is listed as > > "brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com author: draft-ietf-6man-rfc6874bis" > > which strongly suggests that the DT actively tracks submissions, since that > is the draft that's been (re)submitted most recently. So you haven’t provided that any other way, say when registering for a meeting? Jay > > But the *primary* address is presumably user-choice? > > Brian > >> Jay >>> On 28 May 2023, at 01:36, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote: >>> >>> Brian, >>> >>> Yes, typo. Sorry. >>> >>> And, yes, I can imagine such a heuristic. At the same time, if >>> that most recent RFCs is decades old and the (new) I-D is fully >>> posted, it seems to be that a competent heuristic would either >>> go with the information in the I-D or point the inconsistency >>> out and ask for human assistance. (FWIW, I am not able to >>> figure out what it would mean to identify an I-D as less than >>> fully posted when the announcement had bee sent to >>> IETF-announce, the datatracker page was up, and the document was >>> online in the places that both specified, all of which are the >>> case here.) >>> >>> best, >>> john >>> >>> >>> --On Sunday, May 28, 2023 11:53 +1200 Brian E Carpenter >>> <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> To avoid confusion, I think you mean RFC 2693. >>>> >>>> I'd guess that we are dealing with a heuristic for the case >>>> where >>>> the DT profile is incomplete. "Use the most recent RFC" might >>>> appear safer than "use the most recent I-D" in some lights. >>>> Or maybe "use the most recent I-D" won't work before the I-D >>>> has been fully posted. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> On 28-May-23 11:24, John C Klensin wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Until very recently, I assumed that the email addresses shown >>>>> in the Datatracker, particularly those shown on the home >>>>> pages for various I-Ds, would be the most up-to-date ones we >>>>> had except, possibly, for old I-Ds where they might reflect >>>>> the addresses shown as Author Address information in those >>>>> I-Ds. >>>>> >>>>> That does not appear to be the case. If one examines >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rivest-sexp/ >>>>> an address is shown for the first author, Ronald L. Rivest, of >>>>> rivest@theory.lcs.mit.edu. His datatracker page does not show >>>>> any email addresses at all. RFC 1186 (October 1990) shows >>>>> that address under Author's Addresses as does RFC 2593 >>>>> (September 1999). But that address has been dead, or at least >>>>> not-preferred, since at least July 2003 when LCS was merged >>>>> into CSAIL and MIT, IIR, was already strongly preferring >>>>> user@mit.edu styles of email addresses over >>>>> user@department-or-lab.mit.edu ones before I left about a >>>>> decade earlier. >>>>> >>>>> In any event, the Authors' Addresses section of >>>>> draft-rivest-sexp-00 shows the correct current email address, >>>>> rivest@mit.edu. Why is the datatracker picking up, and >>>>> showing on that I-D page, a two decade-old address rather >>>>> than the one in an I-D posted a couple of days ago? And, >>>>> especially assuming that there might be other instances of >>>>> similar relationships, can this be fixed and fixed more >>>>> generally than patching that particular page (although that >>>>> would be good too)? >>>>> >>>>> thanks >>>>> john >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___________________________________________________________ >>>>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org - >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org - https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> -- >> Jay Daley >> IETF Executive Director >> exec-director@ietf.org -- Jay Daley IETF Executive Director exec-director@ietf.org
- [Tools-discuss] datatracker, I-Ds, and email addr… John C Klensin
- Re: [Tools-discuss] datatracker, I-Ds, and email … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Tools-discuss] datatracker, I-Ds, and email … John C Klensin
- Re: [Tools-discuss] datatracker, I-Ds, and email … Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] datatracker, I-Ds, and email … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Tools-discuss] datatracker, I-Ds, and email … Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] datatracker, I-Ds, and email … Robert Sparks
- Re: [Tools-discuss] datatracker, I-Ds, and email … John C Klensin
- Re: [Tools-discuss] datatracker, I-Ds, and email … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Tools-discuss] datatracker, I-Ds, and email … John C Klensin