Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened to chairs 10 minutes before sessions would be _really_ helpful

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Wed, 29 July 2020 14:48 UTC

Return-Path: <eckert@i4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3410F3A0B8C; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:48:25 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.898
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GIttqnEA_1-t; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:48:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2A7F3A0B8B; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:48:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48DD548068; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 16:48:16 +0200 (CEST)
Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id CC006440043; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 16:48:16 +0200 (CEST)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 16:48:16 +0200
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: tools-discuss@ietf.org
Cc: Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com>, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20200729144816.GB1772@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
References: <CA+wi2hMsSVn44PEoPeKHyyvnZ2eaE8bmyM0vGQMNYB3rc8DoWQ@mail.gmail.com> <4F7672D9-91FE-4D0E-ADA0-69EB0C2438A9@ietf.org> <CABFReBq04ERNkhp412QAJM-tqLA0cUnjbj6FXqeXQTGaWC-yAA@mail.gmail.com> <AEA414AB-D633-4258-8BDE-7FB2F7B72651@ietf.org> <CA+wi2hOa4W+R+_DD3T7Cn90g5CL4YZ7HyTv8omVudvAzP2fZYA@mail.gmail.com> <CABFReBrjbZPeqDrKZAfNw45t5qawRrCL53Xx60psongXgHQ_2A@mail.gmail.com> <CA+wi2hPn200ZeToVU2CAYK=4LZkjTBRJpm9Zu1_q0xqVnOhJ7g@mail.gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <CA+wi2hPn200ZeToVU2CAYK=4LZkjTBRJpm9Zu1_q0xqVnOhJ7g@mail.gmail.com>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/svV2BtDjyNr2ZSRnWttgVg86qeI>
Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened to chairs 10 minutes before sessions would be _really_ helpful
X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion <tools-discuss.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/tools-discuss>, <mailto:tools-discuss-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/tools-discuss/>
List-Post: <mailto:tools-discuss@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tools-discuss-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss>, <mailto:tools-discuss-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:48:26 -0000

Adding tools-discuss as the authoritative group for MeetEcho feature requests, bcc wgchairs

I want to be offensive-ranter (ok, better on smaller groups like BIER):

I find these strict timelines that MeetEcho introduces extremely terrible.

We had in BIER a poor presenter cut off just because we had a great presentation
and discussion in a slot in before and therefore ran out of time.

How is it possible that in a physcial meeting we are able to utilize all possible
before andd after meeting times, and now going virtual where we should have
FEWER time constraints, we enforce MORE ?

No, i don't think 10 minutes before/after is sufficient. I think it should be
AT MINIMUM IMHO 30 minutes on both sides, before and after.

Pls. do not understand this big criticism as a big criticism of the tool.
It is not. It is just a criticism of this feature. The tool itself is on a great trajectory!

Cheers
    Toerless

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 03:46:46PM +0200, Tony Przygienda wrote:
> That's my 2nd middle name ...
> 
> lack-of-discipline is yours ;-)
> 
> -- tony
> 
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:34 PM Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Coward. :)
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 6:10 AM Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I think the 5 mins before hour cut-off keeps things tight and is a good
> >> thing ...
> >>
> >> -- tony
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:08 PM Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 30/07/2020, at 1:01 AM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Having them stay open 10min after, or even to the actual WG ending hour
> >>> would be great too. Not everyone is running off to the next meeting.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> They can only be kept open for 5 minutes after the scheduled close of
> >>> the meeting as the same server/room is then used for another session and
> >>> the 5 minute gap is used to close down the audio stream and other tidying
> >>> up.
> >>>
> >>> Jay
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Greg
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:54 AM Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 29/07/2020, at 10:47 PM, Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Topic says it all. Rather than scrambling to figure out whether
> >>>> audio/preso/internet works right @ beginning of session 10 minutes dry-run
> >>>> grace period would be very helpful
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> They are now open 10 mins ahead of the session starting.  It wasn???t
> >>>> like that on day 1 but was changed for day 2 onwards.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jay
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -- tony
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Jay Daley
> >>>> IETF Executive Director
> >>>> jay@ietf.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>> Jay Daley
> >>> IETF Executive Director
> >>> jay@ietf.org
> >>>
> >>>

-- 
---
tte@cs.fau.de