Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened to chairs 10 minutes before sessions would be _really_ helpful

[Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]>]

I think we where given 5 minutes in BIER.

But seriously,  5 minutes ? Are we working here or is this going to deteriorate
to something like a death-by-powerpoint on the clock sessions ?
This is not my practical experience from in-person meetings.

The last round of EU politication negotiations went over time by just a couple of days of real work.

Seriously: IMHO sessions could/should expand much more flexibly in a virtual environment:

Good chairs would try to manage time by asking the room when they see that they are tight
if/how attendees can stay over.

Chairs can also figure out if they can call quickly a WG side meeting when agenda overflows.
etc. pp. All of these things would be possible if WG chairs are given the authority to
create their own meeting sessions like it was possible with webex.

Sessions could start 30 minutes earlier for testing, chit/chat, p2p questions to chairs etc. pp.

Of course, WG chairs just serve on the pleasure of ADs, so i just raised this also with the IESG.

Cheers
    Toerless



On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 03:13:00AM +1200, Jay Daley wrote:
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> > On 30/07/2020, at 3:09 AM, Greg Mirsky <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > 
> > On the first day of IETF-108 Meetcho closed the SPRING WG meeting on the clock. It was announced that five minutes grace period will be added. BIER meeting, to the best of my knowledge, was closed not at +5 but -5 minutes. Unannounced change of policy?
> 
> Greg - are you sure it wasn???t five minutes before the top of the hour, which is five minutes after the meeting is scheduled to finish?
> 
> Jay
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> > 
> > Regards,
> > Greg
> > 
> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:03 AM Toerless Eckert <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:56:02AM -0400, Ted Lemon wrote:
> > > On Jul 29, 2020, at 10:48 AM, Toerless Eckert <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> > > > How is it possible that in a physcial meeting we are able to utilize all possible
> > > > before andd after meeting times, and now going virtual where we should have
> > > > FEWER time constraints, we enforce MORE ?
> > > 
> > > Poor chair discipline does sometimes result in chairs trying to run their meetings into the break. This is a failure on the part of the chairs, not a feature.
> > 
> > Sure, but are we trying to virtualize our common experiences, requirements or
> > trying to create a more strict regime ?
> > 
> > I see far fewer reasons for strict meetecho session limits than there are fo physical rooms.
> > 
> > Sorry, but this makes totally no sense to me.
> > 
> > Cheers
> >     toerless
> > 
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