Re: [Tools-discuss] <contact/>: asciiFullname should be latinFullname

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Wed, 07 October 2020 12:57 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] <contact/>: asciiFullname should be latinFullname
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On 2020-10-07, at 09:54, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
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> We shouldn't need a phrase-level "contact" element in the fist place.

While this is true from a final form readable document generation point of view, marking people semantically does have some value.
Right now that only happens if somebody has a beyond-ASCII name; that outcome indeed does not make a lot of sense.

My proposal was trying to stay inside the current system and just fix the bug that transliterations cannot reasonably be limited to ASCII; I would like to get this fix done independently from any larger repertoire fixes to RFCXMLv3.

There is, of course, no need to actually change the attribute name; simply allowing Latin values for the attribute solves the problem.

Grüße, Carsten